Verified Trader: I Made $936,000 In 25 Days Following Only One Setup!

This trader hasn't just made over $5 million in verified trading profits. He made over $900,000 of it in just 25 days and over $2 million in prop firm payouts. And I've never spoke to anyone who's done it faster. One thing that's helped my trading a lot is if then statements. If this happens, then I'll do this. If that happens, then I'll do that. After you enter a trade, after that, you just live with the result. It's a game of probabilities. You're going to lose. It's like playing blackjack. You could pull a 20 and then a dealer flips a 21 and then you lose, right? It's a game of probabilities. >> Introducing Kevin Desi, one of the most successful futures and option traders out there who built it all on one mechanical inversion setup on NASDAQ. And today he shares his full strategy, risk system, and psychology frameworks that made him millions from the markets. I had around 390 to 400K. 10 more days. All I had to do was trade in and out and I could request the whole thing. I had not taken a single loss the entire 40 plus days. So when I had that red day, I was like, "No, this can't happen. I need to make sure I end green on the day." I took a 15k loss, 10k loss, and a 20k. In a couple days, it was gone. All of it. >> And this was just a few months before your big payout. >> This was in August. So from August, that happened and in November was my big payout. The biggest lesson for me was if you slow down enough, you take base hits, you take consistent trades, $100 and $200 days, that's going to put you further in a year than you would if you're randomly up $2,000 and next day you're down $1,500. Keep it consistent. And that consistency is going to be slow. But people overestimate what they could do in one to two months and underestimate what they could do in a year. Compounding over a year works so nicely and people don't believe it because they never done it. If you really sit there and you lock yourself out every single day with a $250 profit, I guarantee you'll be profitable at the end of the year. I guarantee it. >> From that August to November window where almost a million dollar in payouts. Am I correct in hearing it was 10,000 in spend in that window? >> Yeah, it was 10,000 spent in that window. >> Almost a 1 to 100 risk-to-reward evaluations to payouts. >> Exactly. >> That's wicked. I don't think anyone's had that ratio. But I first want to get into what is your edge and then maybe how you modified it to optimize it for props with the rules that exist. So let's get into what is your trading style and edge >> from a technical side of things. I'm gonna I'mma >> Hey Tyson, before we learn all about how to maximize profit and payouts from Kevin and exactly how he scaled to almost a million dollars in a single payout, I want to share with you today's episode companion, which is a free downloadable PDF that has all of his principles, frameworks, and strategies in one PDF. so that as you watch today's podcast, you have this open alongside you to get more value out of today's conversation. There's going to be a free download inside of Titans inner circle, which means more value, more resources, free weekly newsletter, and also in-person meetups whenever I travel to your city. So, click the link below to join Titans Inner Circle, get today's episode companion from Desi. And without further ado, let's get into today's episode. Okay, let's unpack the 2 million prop payouts. And we'll get into the live trading later on. Uh, and and I guess you used the capital to get there. Um, obviously you had one huge payouts almost at a million. What did the rest look like? And and what was the first payouts looking like? >> Yeah, the first payouts when I first started trading profits ever was in late 2022, right? I was just trying to get an extra income with my trading for my live account trading. So, I was like, "All right, what can I do?" It was just an extra, you know, 5 to 10k initially what I wanted. And I was like, "Wait, I can scale to a lot of accounts." And I was like, "Okay, let me try to get 20 to 30K and then 30 to 40K." And it was literally just taking it very slow because I wasn't going for those big payouts. I wasn't even aware that you could get so many big payouts, right? So I was taking it very very slow. And as prop firm space kind of grew, more firms started popping up. A lot of legit ones, right? You got Lucid, Tradeify, T, you know, TBT, tops of so many that I'm like, okay, now if I start trading these all together, whether it's a copy trader or just individually, now I can really scale to 100 to 200K a month. And the one that caught my attention was obviously Apex because a lot of people were getting massive payouts because there was no cap on how much you could actually pull from the SIM account. >> When was the first time you reached let's say six figures in payouts? >> So that's a good question. I believe it was around mid 2023 when I got six figures and a payout from props because I was so new to the future space. When I started trading props, that's when I started trading futures as well. I was always trading options before. So it was getting adjusted to how futures move and honestly grouping and it was a different mental shift because instead of trading one account now I'm trading 40 to 50 different accounts across you know four to five prop firms. So it was it was different and it was you know sometimes mentally I was holding myself back by oh you know I took a $1,000 loss but around 30 accounts that's a $30,000 loss. So I had to mentally rewire my brain and thinking okay how do I want to approach prop firms? And for me I made a decision it's a ROI game. It's okay if I blow 20 accounts. What is my ROI if I get a payout on one of those accounts at least? Right. >> So, from 2022 to 2023 was uh you're starting to copy trade on multiple accounts and you cross six figures. From 2023, how long did it take and how did you get to seven figures in payouts? >> Yeah. So, 2023 happened. I made my first six figures from prop firms. I'm like, okay, now I'm going to continue doing that. I was comfortable with that. I was like, there's no really reason for me to really push too much because I still didn't know that you can get even more, extract even more. Right? So, as I was going 2024 happened, a lot of live account trading in the prop firms on the side. I still wasn't taking prop firms like as my main thing back then, right? And then 2025 happened and this is or late 2024, 2025, I saw Jade, he was going on his massive run, you know, Trump terrorists were happening. There's a lot of volatility. I'm like, damn, he is scaling a lot. You know, $2 million in payout and whatnot. Um, and that's when I had just started trading Apex. And I from what I realized, okay, you had 20 accounts, you could request, you know, 2K each account or 3K each account, whatever it is, depending on the account size, I can make an extra 60 to 80K just off of one single prop firm. Once I realized that, oh my god, if you make a lot, it's uncapped. You know, after the six payouts, that's when I really started pushing for it. And I'm like, I can scale this to seven figures, you know, and technically I didn't get a seven figure payout, but it was it was close to that. And overall the month did add up to like I think it was around 1.1 million from Apex. >> That was November. >> Yes. November 2025. >> But you had already crossed a million in lifetime payouts before that payout. >> So no I I didn't have a lifetime payouts of a million then. So when that happened I was trading. I was making consistent six figures proper. Right. Some months were greater than the others but once I was built up to it and then that's when that big payout happened. >> Oh that tipped you over. >> Exactly. That tipped me over. And then after that, you know, I'm still trading profits now. Like I take uh take profit trader, great live account. There's no restrictions to it, you know, and now you can easily make like 80 to 100K a week with those accounts. Um if you trade them, right? No. Like like I said, live account, you know, daily withdrawals and there's just no rules to it. So it was a progressional and like I said, it's been exponential. My entire career, I've always been at one level and then boom, six months later, I'm at a whole different level. Six months later, I'm at a whole different level. I don't know what the next six months hold, right? But it's always been exponential growth and it's happened in moments where I didn't expect it. That's the biggest thing. >> That's what I want to unpack. The reason I spent a moment just to get your checklist is so people realize they got to listen into this episode. Um, what I like to see is a lot of successful people, they never grow slowly. It's like you pay your dues and it and you get a boom moment in various areas. And I think it's down to what I like to frame as power laws where a lot of things come together and you do certain tasks and then eventually you get that explosive growth. So I'm going to try and figure that out. what you've been doing. But before we do, two things I got to get into. >> We we've mentioned a journey of highs and how we got there, but there was also lows that you just mentioned. U let's talk about the worst periods along this journey. >> Okay. And the worst period is right before my biggest payout, right? And the biggest payout doesn't happen without this failure, I guess, in trading, right? And like I said, I always think it's wins and lessons and that's it. Either I learned from it and I moved forward, which I did, or I could have been, you know, sulking over it for the next two months and not had the run that I had. So, back we're on Apex, I had around 390 to 400K in total profits. I was six to 10 days from the max. I was 10 days from the sixth payout. So, 10 more days, all I had to do was trade in and out and I could request the whole thing. I had not taken a single loss on those accounts the entire entire 40 plus days. So, when I had that red day, I was like, "No, this can't happen. I need to make sure I end green on the day." >> And I took a 15k loss. The next day, I woke up, I took a 10k loss and a 20k. In a couple days, it was gone. All of it. All of it was gone. $400,000 could have been in my bank account in 10 days. And I was left with, you know, whatever I withdrew from that account. >> And this was just a few months big before your big payout. >> This was in August. So, from August that happened and in November was my my big payout. And you know, the biggest lesson for me was I was mad about it. People like, "How'd you react?" Of course, I was mad. Of course, you know, you get those angry feelings. Your body gets hot and Yeah. And I'm like, "But what can I do about it? It's already gone." So, after like, I would say a day and a half, two days, I was already over it. >> Oh, yeah. >> Because I was like, I already did it once. What's stopping me from getting to that level again? But now I know exactly what the mistakes I made and what not to do next time. And this is something I always talk about in trading, in life, is always relying on data. That right there gave me a new data set. That was a tilt gene in my body that came out that I didn't know was going to come out, right? Like obviously everyone can go tilt at one point, but I thought I was past that level, but that kind of brought me back. Okay, you still have a lot to work on mentally. When you do it again, don't [ __ ] it up. >> That's kind of crazy because you were on a crazy run and and I suppose that is for anyone life-changing money and then one bad moment you were seeking perfection led to the demise of blowing the entire amount. Curious to know after that you mentioned you accepted it and you bounce back and then a few months later you have a record payout >> but how did you avoid accepting I can kind of get you talk yourself into it say it's gone now what can I do let's just get back to it but how do you avoid holding the baggage and the trauma of that situation to not lead it to when you're floating half a million again >> to say okay I can't repeat what I just did what what was the internal dialogue or the frameworks you had around you to support yourself >> yeah and you know the the main thing was Okay. Have I been here before where I've lost a significant amount of money in trading? Yes. You know, in our journey, you know, when I first started off, I didn't know what I was doing. I lost a lot of money, right? Even the middle of my run, I had, you know, a few setbacks where I took, you know, a heavier size and I lost. So, I was like, look, it's not the first time I'm going to be here. And honestly, as I'm recording this now, it's probably won't be the last time, right? It's not and it's just doesn't mean I'm a bad trader. It doesn't mean that someone can't trade. It's just that bad gene just comes out, right? So for me now even every day on the thought process I'm always connecting with myself intraday when I'm trading how am I feeling what am I looking at do I like what I'm seeing and how do I feel if I lost whatever position I'm in right that's the biggest thing I'm doing more daily checkups with myself even outside of trading right has helped me a lot too but doing daily check-ins really really did push me to that next level of having that better psychology because now you know I enter a trade I go for a walk I go for coffee I don't care what happens in the chart. I'm emotionless. Like, and that's something that people, you know, view me as when they watch my streams or whatever. Like, he's literally emotionless. >> Okay. >> I I enter a trade, I get out of it, I get stopped out. Guess what? On to the next. >> Hey, Titans, let's take a quick break from the episode to talk about a sponsor and partner of the show. That is Ola Prime. Now, a lot of traders have been talking about Ola Prime because they were recently the winner of the fastest payout prop award in the IFX Expo here in Dubai. And something that you don't see so often is that they are backed by their own brokerage firm, Ola Prime Markets. And a few things that I love about Ola Prime is that they have offers for futures, forex, and crypto traders. And most importantly, they allow you to trade on over eight platforms. And further, they do a 95% profit split, basically unheard of, which means whatever profit you make, you keep 95% of it. And most importantly, because of their reward, they're one of the only prop firms that offer a 1-hour payout through a structured 10point 1-hour payout system. 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Now, there's all these KPIs, key performance indicators in trading, win rate, risk to reward, trade frequency, da da da, a risk per trade, but I'm curious to know what is the most important one for you and is it even a trading stat or is it a just risk-to-reward of evaluations to payouts? Which one are you focusing on? >> I'm always focused on the ratio and and the I guess risk-to-reward in terms of my spend and okay, how much I get. I always I'm an ROI based trader when it comes to prop firms, right? If I'm spending $1,000, what's my ROI if I get a payout? is am I gonna get a $10,000 payout? That's a great ROI, right? From my apex from August to when I had my big payout, right? And that payout, you know, I was at like 800 900K in payout. So, I was already very profitable. And then that pulled me over the top and that's when the 2 mill starts kicking in and all that. So, I'm like, okay, I spent $10,000 for my August blow up to November, $10,000 spend. You know, it was around 10 to 12,000 spend, which is fine because I know what I can pull from those accounts. the first payout makes up for it because it was a $40,000 payout, right, with the cycles. So, I'm like, "All right, my ROI is already covered." So, mentally for me, it's easier to trade when I am risking nothing, right? And that's why I can go through evaluations, I can go through funded accounts if I'm trying to scale aggressively is because I have the capital for it. And it's might and it might not work out for a lot of traders, right? Because some people don't have that extra capital. But this is the benefit of me coming from options. I was already profitable. I have that extra cash in my pocket because all I was like all I need is a two to one ROI and I'm profitable, right? It's the same thing as taking an actual trade. But now obviously scale to like I don't even know what the ROI is, but it's insane. But that's my approach and that kind of helps me people hate using this word, but it kind of helps me gamify proper. It's almost like getting to the next level, right? You you're playing the game, you know, you're putting the cash up front, you're spending what business don't you spend money to make money, right? >> I have I have nothing against it. I I think the god of when everyone comes across proper for the first time you think let me get one account and then just milk that one account for the rest of my life and then you realize it's unrealistic because the rules and whatever else may be curious to know so from that August to November window where almost a million dollars in payouts am I correct in hearing it was 10,000 is spend in that window >> yeah it was 10,000 spend in that window >> almost a 1 to 100 risk-to-reward in evaluations to payouts >> exactly >> that's a pocket of time that's wicked that I don't think anyone's had that ratio but what about just say over the last couple of years of total spent to total payouts >> over I mean I would say you know I don't know what I'm at year to date or like I guess all time payouts now cuz I kind of stopped counting after 2 million but like I'm let's just say I'm like at probably like 2.2ish 2ish 2.1 because after my big payout I really stopped trading profits. I just really focused back on them like a couple months ago. Right. >> Okay. >> Um and my total spend was probably right around 250k. >> Oh, that's crazy. >> Right. 250k to 300k which look I people go, "Oh my god, you spent 300k. >> Who wouldn't spend 300k to make >> 10x, right? Or two two uh 250k to make, you know, uh 11x, whatever it is." And it's like that's just the nature of business overall, like in life. Like normally businesses don't have those type of margins, right? And the fact that I'm pulling these margins from trading that's just, you know, that's part of the game >> to be honest. I mean, I think that veil has been people are realizing it's not uh one evaluation fee and a million dollars or $2 million payouts. It's a game and there's an expense ratio. Most of the traders I've spoken to who have crossed a million in payouts, their ratio is 1 to3 on the bad side up to 1:7 in terms of like they spend a couple hundred grand to make a million or two 300. yours is almost a 1 to 10. So yours is actually right on the side of uh the best in terms of ratio. Maybe it's not the biggest in lifetime payouts, but the ratio is is really strong. Um obviously you didn't start with that amount. It's probably recycle. What what would you say your principle was like from your pocket not reinvesting payouts? >> So when I first started it was always like oh as soon as I get a payout I'll use that to reinvest into more accounts. Right. But like I said I do live trade. So you know if I'm making 10K in a day what's 2K on a prop firm spend for me right? And that's his realistic approach to it. Um, and as I was doing that, I was like, "Okay." And, you know, I went through dry spells. Uh, I publicly posted it from, you know, the August to November. I think I blew like >> 50 evals. I had like 20 funded accounts that I went through or like even more probably like 40 funded accounts. And, you know, that's where the ad, you know, comes up. But my mentality was like, okay, ROI, ROI, ROI. As soon as I get one payout across these 20 accounts, already going to make up for it. That's my biggest thing. Um, and that's what I tell new traders don't go that route. And I that's just being honest because you need to have a certain structure in your life to be able to do that, right? And you could do it starting with one account, reinvesting into two accounts, three, four, and then you could get like a ball rolling. And that's why I did it when I started. People see this payouts now. Look, I started trading profits back in 2022, late 2022. So, it's a long time coming. It's a three, four year process of me getting to where I was. And then, like we talked about earlier, it's exponential. Boom. all of a sudden happened right? >> Very impressive. Uh I want to get into now the the hows of it. So because we've kind of put this idea here that it's a almost a gamification. It's a skill to do the riskreward evaluation to payouts. Are you more concerned with your edge as you would be in your live accounts where if if you have a draw down, you got to eat that draw down, climb out. Whereas here, you can kind of just reset and and throw away the accounts. Is the mentality different from live to prop or the same? >> For sure. Because look, at the end of the day, live capital is live capital, right? And with props, you don't have that much draw down. So like, you know, let's say you have a 2,00 so the my Apex accounts were 2,500 draw down and I made them 66,000 each, right? Like how many losses can I really take in a row with $2,500, right? That's another thing. So I'm like, okay, do I have, let's say, the gifts down to 500 draw down. Am I really going to put myself through that energy of like getting it back up, working slowly? No, I could just get rid of the accounts and get new ones. That's how I was. And but a live account is completely different because you know you go on tilt. I want to tilt on Apex, right? I always say I lost 400K because I had 400k. I'm not losing that 400k because I never had it originally, right? I'm losing whatever I put into those accounts. It still sucks because I was 10 days away from it. But on a live account, you lose 400K. Now you're in a deep hole, right? And you know, I've had massive live account losing days. And it's, you know, it's not because I was oversized or overleveraged or anything. You know, my size was consistent. it was just over a span of period where I just lose a lot of trades in a row, right? Like I risk around, you know, 30 to 40k a trade. If I lose five, six trades in a row, which is totally possible. It happens all the time. It just happened, right? I can lose, you know, 100 to 200k in a week or two weeks and it's just not going and overleveraging the next day. And that's my biggest thing for me is on my live account is I don't trade it every single day. I only trade it when conditions are completely in my favor. Um, and you know, following my system. If my system is in play, I'll take the trade. If not, I just don't take it. >> Do you trade evals and funded accounts different? >> Yeah. So, eval usually trade a one to one riskreward with my evals. >> Oh. >> And, you know, if I have $4,500 draw down, I'll risk that entire draw down for $4,500, right? You have a consistency account or whatever uh for evaluations. But like I want to emphasize to the crowd that is probably not the best way to approach it if you aren't even profitable or you're just getting into profits. Take your time. There's no reason. A lot of people try to go from zero to 10k in a month or in a short period of time when they aren't even making 2 to 3k in a month trading. Right? >> So me to the viewers, I always say take your time, trade slowly, and try not to trade every day in terms of like, oh, this is the last trade I'd take. A lot of people when I see in my YouTube chat they lose one trade their accounts get blown. I'm like you can't be living or dying by one single trade >> and if on my funded account like for Apex for example right like people like oh my god you must have full ported to get into you know that crazy payout. No it was documented. I would use three to five micros on MNQ until I got like a 5 to 6k buffer. And once I got that I went to five and then I went to eight and then I went to 12 to 15 and then I went to 20. And by the time I built so much buffer over my 25 days sizing small that I had a 20k buffer. So most people, you know, don't even realize me going from 20k account to 66 per uh per account happened in the last four days. >> Huh? >> Because I have spent 20 plus trading days building my buffer, building my buffer, building my buffer. And then when my system and when the market was really in my favor, I'm like, "Okay, I have 20k buffer now. Let me size up. Let me start risking, you know, four to five to 7k per trade." And you know, it was like a snowball. It was like avalanche, right? It starts slowly slowly slowly and boom all of a sudden that happened. >> Do you think having that kind of a run is still possible now in 2026? >> I think it is it's a lot harder because you know not a lot of not a lot of prop firms offer that anymore in terms of uncapped. Um the only way you can really do it is probably through live accounts with prop firms. So when they move you to live transition you live you can do it and it's going to start with you sizing down. The issue is people get their live accounts like, "Oh my god, I have pure freedom." They never trade a live account or, you know, whatever the case is, and they go 10 to 15 minutes right off the rip. No, you need to build a buffer. You got to earn your way to size up. That's another thing. You know, sizing up is something that is earned, not given. And a lot of traders don't realize that and then they blow up and they like, "Oh, the live account sucks." No, the live account doesn't suck. You just approach it in a negative way where you should be building it for 20, 30, 40 trading days. Imagine you built a 5K account for 40 trading days. how much buffer you would actually have by that point and then then if you want to size up and take more risk on you can >> a lot of people I see online are talking about the profit and golden era is gone and it's no no longer so easy to make the big payouts or even consistent payouts if you were already profitable and make that assumption and you had a bit of a bankroll to do things optimally in terms of buy the accounts you needed to what would be your strategy coming into it if you were sitting on no payouts >> sitting on no payouts and so this is starting off props right if But you have an edge, you have a budget. >> Okay. I would honestly I would still trade one start with one account because it's a whole different thing, right? Getting a payout and getting funded is completely different game, right? Cuz once you get one payout, it kind of unlocks your brain in a way where it's like, oh, I could do it. It's more of like a self-belief thing. But I always tell people, you said the golden era, a lot of people say it's over. You can't get these big payouts. Yes, you can get these big payouts, but there's a lot of prop firms that still pay out consistently and they, you know, do very good. And it's just like I said, a lot of people are trying to go from that zero to 100K, but they're not even making 5K. You need to take baby steps. Reinvest those payouts into more accounts. Also, your live account. I'm a big advocate in the space. Trade your live account because yes, props are there now. We don't know what's going to happen in two years. We don't know what's going to happen in a year. What if props shut down tomorrow? Are you going to give up in your trading career? You need to get accustomed to trading on a live account. And I'm not saying go, you know, let's say you get a $10,000 pay, I'll put the entire thing into a pro or into a live account. put like couple thousand, get another payout, put another couple thousand, and trade very small. It's just you getting used to and comfortable with that. So, if you know, if you have an edge and you have a bankroll, go into props, trade one account at a time, go to two, go to three, go to four, and by the time you're at five accounts and consistently getting payouts, it's probably like 8 to 12 months in the future. And then start reinvesting your profits into your live account and trading your live account. you have in my eyes if you don't have a significant income coming outside of trading to if you want to live the life that every trader wants to live it you need to somewhat take that step to trading your live account and it's and it's different it for sure is and there's a lot of hiccups through it there's a lot of you know bumpy roads but it is very worth it at the end it's very rewarding >> for the last two years a proud sponsor of the show is a topranked leading prop firm Alpha Capital and for the years that I've been working with them and the thousands and thousands of viewers you guys that have been working with them through the discount codes of Titans of Tomorrow. It's clear for me to see why they are a top ranked prop firm in the industry. They have also reached a monumental milestone of $100 million in payouts. 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There is you know I could teach you know I got recently got a puppy. I could teach him how to draw something on the chart, but it's about the mindset, which we'll go into later. So, from a technical side of things, I'm a I'm a ICT trader, right? I trade inversion for value gaps. That's my bread and butter. And it's always going into the trading day, working off the higher time frame. My thing is, if the higher time frame does not align with the lower time frame, then there's no trades for me that day. Let's say I'm bearish on the daily chart or the 4 hour time frame, but the one hour chart isn't showing those rejections that I'm looking for. I'm not taking a trade. I'm not going to trade conflicting markets or conflicting biases between the higher time frame and the lower time frame because you end up getting chopped up and getting stopped out and then you know the market goes your way after you got stopped out and that leads to emotional you know damage and you go on a whole tilt. So for me it's very I wake up I'm like all right I say it every day in stream I'm like all right guys what are we looking at this is the higher time frame this is what I'm going to look at for the lower time frame to confirm it. If it confirms it we'll take a trade if not then we don't. One thing that's helped my trading a lot is if then statements. If this happens, then I'll do this. If that happens, then I'll do that. And that has helped me avoid taking losses in my career, you know, significantly. And I think a lot of people should do that because, you know, once you're staring at the chart for an hour, you kind of zone out, right? >> Well, you start inventing things that could happen. >> Exactly. The perfect way to put it. So, if you're checking, and this is what I meant by checking in with myself. I'm consistently checking in with myself like okay if this happens then I'm doing this if that then you have that edge in your mind and then you just wait for your system to play out and you execute you have higher confidence executing too. >> I like how you said I trade this but my edge is my brain which for me I read it as ICT or any strategy is >> a whole web of confluences and concepts and like and you have millions of people trading it and a few that make it work and a lot of people that don't. Whatever the stats are, the point is it's not just the school of thoughts. It's how you put it together and that's the mind. >> What have you taken from ICT specifically that has served you and what have you left left aside that many people are trading that is maybe not worthwhile? >> Yeah. So, you know, first of all, I believe in every strategy works. I I think every I know a lot of ICT traders like, oh, ICT is the best strategy. Look, IC is great. I love it. I trade it, but it's not the end all beall. There's other strategies that work. But for me what ICT did in terms of the concepts is eliminated the randomness in trading right where I kind of figured out okay this is why the market is going to these levels and this is why we're getting you know respecting these levels or this is why the market turned from this point it eliminated the randomness in trading because that's my biggest thing was trying to eliminate as much noise as I can having a system only inputting my system and following my system without dealing with the outside factors right and then the outside factors you know outstraing EMAs and RSI. It was just too much randomness. Once I eliminated that, I was like, "Okay, it's like a new lens in the market. It makes sense why it's doing what it's doing." And that's the biggest thing, making sense. Even entering a trade, does it make sense for you to enter a trade? And that's where I go with the if then statements, right? And after you enter a trade, if it makes sense to you, if it truly does, after that, you just live with the result, right? It's a game of probabilities. You're going to lose. It's like playing blackjack, right? You could have the greatest hand. You could pull a 20 and then a dealer flips a 21 and then you lose, right? It's a game of probabilities and you have to increase your probabilities as much as you can by using your mind, telling yourself, okay, what am I looking at? Why am I looking at this? And how am I going to approach it? And then let the rest do its thing. >> I want to walk through for the step by step of what exactly you're doing because I'm sure a lot of the terms you will say people relate to because most people are learning from the same places. But let's start off with what do you trade? What asset class >> I trade? ENQ. ENQ only. I very rarely touch ES, but ENQ I've been that's that's all I do. It's like the back of my hand >> at the start of the week. I guess you do a top down analysis. >> Yeah. So, >> what time frames and what are you looking for on each time frame? >> So, normally what I do I I always start off the monthly chart in case we're next to a monthly fair value gap or an order block, something of a point of interest, right? And usually we're not because, you know, it's a monthly candle. So, most times I'm working off the weekly. What did last week print? Let me mark out the weekly highs, weekly lows of last week and see what kind of blueprint can we get to go into those levels, right? And then I'll break it down into daily time frame. Is there any fair value gaps? Is there any um you know rejection blocks, order blocks, and then I go down to the 4 hour. >> Let me just jump in. So let's say it's the weekly time frame and you've seen the prior couple of weeks have been bullish. You know, some bullish candles. You mark out the high and the low of the pre previous bullish week candle. Now you have a range and let's say this week's opened up somewhere in the middle. Are you now thinking wait until it takes one side or the other or will you trade up to one or down to the other? What's the process? So I always I like to wait >> okay >> for you know in I'm going to use the in case fair value gap right like let's say we close really bullish the previous week I'm looking for some type of retracements right because when you have those fair value gaps that get left behind those are very high probability to trade into right so let's say we open up on Monday and we're trading lower that doesn't mean I'm bearish because my higher time frame b is still a bullish bias I'm looking how can price respect lower time frame into the higher time frame what is happening in that fair value gap Is there so I'm going break it down. Let's say we have, you know, previous week high. We go down into like a 4 hour valley gap on Monday open and now the hourly is starting to shift back to the upside from that. That's where I'm looking to enter a trade. I don't need to be first. I don't need to be, you know, the first one in the market bottom tick entry. I don't care about that. For me, it's all about that confirmation. So the higher time frame, the lower time frame, and then I trade inversion fair value gaps. So I'll look for an inversion fair value gap or a break of structure to continuation to the upside. And that's normally how I operate. And most of the trades I take on live stream are on the one and five minute. So I do the same thing I did right there, but just break it down even lower into like a 15 minute or a one minute when I look at New York open. >> Okay, we'll get into the execution in a second. I want to just make sure I followed it correctly on the ideation part of of generating a setup. So you had the weekly, then you waited for a break. Now at the break, even at that point, there could be two thoughts. Is this a break of and continuation of trend? Therefore, I should look for buys or is this a liquidity sweep and now I could >> take the high and then go down to the low of previous week and then look for buys at that point. Let's call it an inflection point. Two things can happen. >> Which how do you pick which side to be on? >> It's like I said, I don't need to be first. It's always if then statements, right? >> Okay. >> Let's say, you know, we take out the high and I'm like, okay, if we get a rejection from this area and we violate some bullish PDAs on the way that we created on the way up, okay, now I can start looking for sells. But if we're, you know, basing >> what time frame you checking that on? >> So, let's say we have a previous week high sweep. I'll look at that 4 hour candle, the next 4 hour candle. How do the next couple 4 hour candles, how do our globe excession candles look like? And what are what kind of, you know, reaction are we getting from it? And that basically tells me how we're going to operate in New York. It all kind of fixes into itself, right? Asia, London, New York, everything moves in accordance to each other. And it's just giving more data, which is why I think it's very important looking at that overnight data because it tells you what happened. How are we respecting these fair value gaps? Are we just chopping around? Are we rejecting a 1 hour gap and having a continuation? It's just a lot of things that when you look at from, you know, the markets open what, I don't know, like 23 hours out of the day or whatever it is, there's a lot of data in those overnight sessions that help you for that New York session because let's say we create a fair value gap in London session. I'll look for New York session to manipulate higher into that gap. And then once again, once it's in that gap, I'm like, what is it? If then statements. If we reject this, I can look for sells. If we inverse this, I can look for a continuation to the upside. It's it's a lot of if then statements based off the 4 hour, 1 hour, and then the 15. >> So basically, you're using the fair value gap on the higher time frames around weekly all the way down to the 1 hour. You're using these as magnet points. Exactly. You're just waiting for price to enter that hot zone. And when it's in the hot zone, you're kind of seeing which way it goes. And if it goes up, then you're looking for a inverse value. >> Inverse value. >> And if it if it rejects it, then you're looking for sell opportunities with a fair value gap. >> Yeah. So like a bearish one that was created on the way down. Exactly. Exactly. Perfect. >> Okay. Now, now that we got these if this then that, let's let's run the bullish scenario just to paint the picture. Now I've seen it came into the magnet hot zone. It rejected and now it's giving me an inverse fair value gap on the 1 hour time frame. >> Okay. >> Does time of day matter? So I'm a big believer in time of day does not matter which is very different from a lot of ICT traders you know they believe in macros time and price I really don't believe in you know time really matters as much >> why is that >> there's because I just have so much data in my trading where the moves happen during random times right obviously some points in the day are going to bring more volatility New York open is going to bring more volatility London close is going to bring more volatility right but I've seen so I have so much data to support that moves happen whenever that I'm not based my basing my trades only off certain, you know, uh, you know, oh, I'm only gonna look at the 4 hour open or I'm going to look at, you know, the 10 a.m. Eastern candle. It just doesn't make sense to me because I missed a lot of trades in the past doing that. I used to trade like that. I used to be a big believer in macros, but then when I stopped when I kind of gravitated away from them, I'm like, look, I'm missing out on a lot of opportunity because I'm kind of blocking myself by not trading. Interesting. >> Exactly. I >> I get it because on prop firms, you're incentivized to take a lot of trades. Yeah. Uh, just to scale. So I'm curious here if you eliminate time okay you have areas where you know it's more probable more volatile but in general most of the time is okay for you which means you can now take more opportunities and you have more winning trades which you were used to missing so for props that works but in as a result of that we also introducing more losses and your win rate came down maybe not tanked but just a little bit down in a controlled way >> yeah so one the biggest rule I always follow in my trading no matter what happens I don't care you know if this happens and we get the greatest price action of all time if I take two losses loses in a row in the day I'm shutting it down completely. There is no opportunity for that third trade. If I win one, I lose one, I'll take that third trade. Right. >> But it's two losses. Okay. >> Yeah. If there's two losses in a row, I will not give it an opportunity. And some days are so good where I'm taking one, two, three, four, five wins in a row. Why am I going to limit my upside? Right? Then I'll stop on a loss. It is what it is, right? But after two losses, I never trade. And no, there's been times where I've taken two losses in a row and I'm like, "Okay, the market's moving really well. I could have taken this and I could have made a lot more money, right? But it's like I know over the long scheme of things, me taking that third loss, if I keep losing, it could put me back into that tilt gene, right? And this is something I really incorporated after my big blow up I had before my massive payout is I was I started overtrading. So if I had to shut it down after two trades, I wouldn't be in that position that was in terms of losing, you know, a lot of capital in in a short amount of time. Because what happens is you could only really lose a lot of, you know, big amounts in your live account or your platform account if you're overtrading, right? Because what happens is people don't usually start off overleveraged. They overlever on that third or fourth or fifth trade. It never starts with, oh yeah, I'm just going to go 10, you know, 10 minis off the rip and see what happens. No, it's usually like, oh, you know, you trade 10 micros, you take a loss. You take, you know, maybe 20 micros now you take a loss and you're like, [ __ ] it, my account's already almost blown. I'm just gonna go and overlever now. So that really has helped my trading and a lot of people who watch me have also incorporated that into their trading and they look the proof is in the pudding. You these guys are becoming profitable by simply trading less. You know, you're not getting paid off the time, you're getting paid off your decisions. That's a lot and it's a whole different especially if you're coming into trading from any other career. That's not usually how it works. You usually get paid off a certain amount of time, whatever, but you're getting paid off your decisions. Let's get into entry now because you mentioned a onetoone riskreward earlier but the way you're describing it feels like it would have a higher riskreward because you can have your uh you know inverse five value gap now you got a zone that you want to enter upon. I guess there's a M1 M5 confirmation. >> Where are you placing your stop loss? >> I always always always place my stop loss at the low that we created. >> On what time frame? >> Let's say let's say we have a uh fivem minute inversion to the upside. Right? Let's say we have our uh area of liquidity. it got swept and now we're having a reversal. Wherever that reversal low point is, that's always my stop loss. So, usually it's a high day or low a day. If I'm playing reversals off of buy side or sellside sweeps because if I keep my stop loss under the fair value gap, there's been a lot of times where we go into the fair value gap, we'll wick it and then I get stopped out. There's no point in that. I need to keep it at the previous low that was created before the reversal move back up. And it yes, the RR gets a little bit lower, right? Like my first TP was probably usually a one to 1.3 R trade. >> One to three or one >> one to 1.5 1.3. My >> Okay. >> But it turns into a two to three R when I let my runners go. >> Oh, I got it. >> I got I take a first TP. >> But you're taking half of the position. >> Exact. It depends how it depends on the market, right? I'm not going to take half position off if I'm at a negative R. So, it's always has to be a positive R. But I'll take some of my position off depending on how the market's moving. It's usually 30 to 50%. And then I have my external areas of liquidity. In this case, let's say we're playing a bullish reversal. I'm looking at the previous week high. I'll put my TP all the way up there and let it run. >> And though that's what carries my risk-to-reward and when I have those big winners that I post, that's what happens. And the beauty of this, you know, I'm not only a futures trader, I'm also an options trader. When you do this on options, if you ever trade options, you know, once the position gets in the money, the IV starts spiking a lot. You can go from 100% to 300% in three candles. Especially how I trade, I trade zero DTE, right? Same day expiration. very very volatile. I trade them a little differently. I don't know if we'll get into the nitty-gritty. I don't know. But I don't have a stop loss on those >> because you size for zero. It >> size for zero always. Right. >> Okay. I want to I want to unpack the the future side first. If you're putting your stop at the at a liquidity low, makes sense. That's a protected area. If it goes below that, it's invalidating the move. >> Makes sense. >> But then if I'm thinking the whole idea was generated on a weekly bullish and then waiting for a zone and then a 1 hour or 4hour flip. So you have trend on your side with the 1 hour, 4 hour, and weekly. So you can really let that run. Exactly. So you could get a 1 to 10 riskreward in theory. Uh why lock something in as a partial so so soon at a one to 1.5 risk reward. >> Yeah. One I always tell people is you need to get accustom to you getting your money basically paid to you, right? You need to lock something in because mentally it will help you hold the trade. If you're running, you know, floating three profit, a lot of people get antsy. No one's going to get smarter in a trade. If you know back ahead, okay, I already locked in some of my profits, my stop loss at break even. No matter what happens, I'm going to win this trade. That helps mentally a lot. And also, let's talk about the reality of trading. How many 10R trades are presented in a day? Not a lot, right? Those only happen in very, very high volatility markets, and you need to have a lot of precision catching those moves, right? So, I try to adjust people and I try to adjust myself to where I can use something that works out every single day versus just once a month or twice a month because that's the biggest thing. A lot of people, no matter how many times I tell them, you know, you only should be trading 8 to 10 days out of the week, they're going to be trading every day. So, condition yourself to secure your profits and then letting those 10-hour trades happen. Yeah, they happen. You know, people post about it on social media, they go viral, but it just know it's not the reality of trading. That's not going to happen on a day-to-day basis. It's not even going to happen consistently because it all depends on market volatility. If the market's not volatile, then you have to take that 1.5R risk and then that's it. >> I'm very curious here. So, I'm going to explore a bit further even though maybe people don't understand why. Are we taking a partial at the 1 to 1.5R mainly for a psychological edge or because you mentioned earlier you're you're all about the data. So if we were to remove that psychological benefit, is there another place to take profit that would be more optimal based on average session volatility, average day volatility or just if you look back at your last 200 trades, taking profit at the 1 to4 maybe was optimal, but then the psychology maybe makes it harder. What is the difference between optimal in terms of edge only and then the psychology side? >> So when I say I always have my TP at like a 1.5, that's I'm just saying it as a baseline, right? like at least I want that where I put my take profits aren't random at all they're at areas of liquidity whether it's equal you know let's say I'm trading to the upside whether it's equal highs unmititigated 4hour fair value gaps or lower time frame fair value gaps or session highs or lows Asia highs or lows you know London highs or lows that's where I'm putting my take profit it's not randomly oh as soon as I hit 1.5R I'm going break even >> so it's not a fixed RR it's whatever confluence that you like as a target is around that pocket of 1 to 1.5 to ish. >> And then another good indication is let's say I'm aiming for London session highs, but my RR isn't a one. Then that just means I'm getting a late entry in the market and just forget about it. I don't like taking trades with negative R. >> I I don't like taking trades with negative R because it conditions myself to >> I'm like, okay, I I probably either missed a move or the market's not moving enough to create a nice range for me to trade in. Uhhuh. >> And then normally what happens is if I'm trading a negative R, you know, for my data that this is all based off my data that I've collected over my years of trading, it's like, okay, what happened? Why is my trade negative R? It's because I'm I'm I completely missed the move already. And now I'm trying to like get into the market because we still have that area liquidity, but it's just not as high probability as if I entered, you know, hour, hour and a half ago. >> Okay, I like this. So we have zones that you want to target and riskreward profiles related to it and you're making decisions on how to trim it as we go. First of all, this is introducing the psychology topic. Usually there's going to be multiple levels that that could be M5 high, session high, Asia high, 15 trend like you could have 10 lines on the screen and you know you could have like the one to 1.5 here, the one to two here, the one to three here like very close by. >> Is that determined by psychology then? like I want to go for this one cuz I'm on a hot streak. I'm I'm a bit fearful so I'm just going to lock something in or do you do just a trailing stop? So the the thing is like I want to kind of touch upon this like on trend days right where we're just you know a lot of people ask me when we keep trending how are you able to hold the position why are you not exiting at certain areas or why not this right for me is I recognize when a trend's happening very early in the day right if we're getting a sharp you know let's say ENQ is dropping 1% in the morning it is giving me a good indication okay we're probably going to have some type of trend day today right and let's say and not always you know let's say it's like 50% of the time or whatever if I hit my main take profits for the day I hit my London low and now we're targeting you know previous week lows or like um you know monthly lows or whatever. I'm I trail my stop losses. That's the biggest thing, right? I'll go TP1 break even. As TP2 and three approach, I'll move my break even to my TP1. >> You break even your trades once the first target is met, not before. >> Yeah. When the first target's met at a very high probability area of liquidity, I go break even. Right. And let's say my trade keeps running now and now it's at a two or three R. Now instead of having my stop loss at break even, I'll move it up to my takeprofit one. Usually what happens is we create five and 15 minute fair value gaps on a trend day. And if you notice on any trend days, if you follow NQ on those trend days, we respect those 15 minute and five minute fair value gaps all day long. So my stop losses and how I adjust my stop losses are usually at the violation of those gaps. So let's say we create a we're moving down, we're having a trending down >> and ENQ's, you know, having a pullback into a fiveminute bearish gap. My stop loss is normally above that fiveminute fair value gap because at that point the lower time frames invalidating the higher time frame bias and we could look for a reversal back up possibly, right? But most times on those trend days, as soon as we tap the gap, we go another leg lower. We tap another gap, another leg lower, and it's just all day down and then we end up with those minus two 3% days. A good example was I believe like two Fridays ago when we had the uh 5% down day on NQ. If you look at the chart, every single 15-minute F value gap, every single fiveminute F value gap respected and I was able to turn options trade from like I think it was 12K into 150K. >> Wow. >> Over, you know, a thousand% gain on the trade because I was just able to hold. I was able to hold hold hold until my final TP got hit. And you know, futures obviously I don't have that. When I trade my futures personal account, it's a little different because options psychologically for me is easier to hold trades because I know exactly what I'm risking at every time. Even though I have a, you know, stop loss in for futures, it's just something with me psychologically where I can just let my options trade go because I know I'm sized for zero on this. And those are the big winners that happen on trend days. I >> I actually find this pretty cool that you lock something in that's mental piece and you know, paid for your next trade or whatever the case may be and then you're not just like final TP or back to break even. It's like locking in checkpoints. So, worst case scenario, it doesn't go to the final one, but it goes to the the one before that. So, you're you're orchestrating a trade management along the way. >> Yeah. Cuz it it's very demoralizing when you're up 300 points and then it goes right back to your break even. I'm telling you, that right there will make people unprofitable faster than anything because now they want to get back in. Now they're like, "Oh my god, I was up 300 points." And then the whole the human brain works in a very weird way. So if you're, you know, check mark check mark when the market comes back down and takes you out of the market, it's not, you know, it's only like a 100 point pullback or whatever and you still secure 200 out of 300 points. So it's very crucial to trail. And you know, some of the best traders I know, my buddy Lanto, who pulled up $3 million from TPT live account, he had the same way. He had massive days, but he would trail his stop losses. And once he got trailed out, that was it. He was done for the day. >> I finally have a special offer to share with all of you from the US or my futures traders, which is over 20% of the listeners of the show. 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It was if I'm, let's say, risking $1,000 in a trade, it's not hitting my stop loss. It's floating$4,000 going back to break even or negative because the unrealized loss was 4,000 1,000. It's a 5,000 unrealized. So, you're basically mitigating that which probably avoids you going on tilt and all the other bad things can get off the back of it. Very cool, man. Okay, so we talked about uh riskto-reward and the trade setups. What about risk for trade in the evals? You did uh basically full pot the whatever the margin you have because it's an EVA. How are you structuring it at the beginning of funded accounts and then the scaling? Yeah, >> related to the max roll down. >> Yeah. So, real quick back to evals real quick. Just because I'm risking the entire account doesn't mean I'm going 10 minutes minis off the rip, right? That means that maybe doing two minis with 100 point stop loss, 100 point TP if it's a Keep in mind, the system doesn't change. It's not I'm trading random trades. The system is still the same. I'm still approaching with a A+ setup, but I'm just risking a little more. That's it. >> You're valuing your time. You don't exact six weeks on either >> 100%. And then when it comes to funded accounts, I I do try to tell everyone to take it slow to start off, right? My biggest payout came from me taking it slow. I didn't know it was going to snowball into what it did, right? Chip away. Chip, chip, chip, chip away. The $200 days, the $300 days, the $400 days overall add up a lot. And if you keep it consistent, your losses will stay consistent, too. You're not getting set back three days. You know, if you're doing $200, $200, and that $800 loss, what went wrong there? You need to keep it consistent with size and risk. And another thing that new traders need to realize, it is okay to have a 200 point stop loss on NQ. We are moving so many points on a day-to-day basis. The daily ranges are 500, 700 points. What does that mean? You got to adjust your contract sizing with your stop-loss. If you're risking $400 per trade, you need to trade one micro. Y simple as that, right? And a lot of people like, oh, you know, I, you know, I'm trading that, but now I can't trim or now I can't, you know, manage my position. Well, that's where you have to step in and be like, "Okay, I have my high probability areas of liquidity. I want my high probability." This is why this is why I don't do negative R. Have your high probability area liquidity. And once you hit that, just go break even and maybe not secure any profits then, right? It depends on what you're looking for in a trade. When you have two contracts, it's easier because you can go break even and then you can, you know, let the runner ride. But adjust your contract sizing to what the market is giving you. Sometimes I'm trading 10 minis on my live account because my stop loss is 40 points or 50 points and that's the entire daily range, right? But sometimes I'm trading like two micros with like 400 or two minis with like 400 point 300 point stop losses on my swing trades, right? I take a lot of swing trades overnight. Okay, recently one I took I had a 250 point stop loss and I had like a 300 point first TP >> and I know exactly how much I'm risking. I'm just adjusting my contract sizing to it. And then with options it's the same thing. My full risk is around 30 to 40k per zero DTE trade. A little bit lower would be 20 to 25K. And if I'm going, you know, the market's really like if I'm on a losing streak or if the market's really not in my favor, I'll go like 10 to 12K, right? It's always consistent with the tiers. It's never randomly or I'm going to take a 100k trade here or I'm going to just put on, you know, 500 point stop loss with 20 minis. That's never going to happen. You got to eliminate the randomness. And like I said, the risk management with your contract adjustment with how many points is being moved on a daily range is very very important. >> I like how you said that you you got to take it slow. It feels kind of counterintuitive because you're you just pass you're excited and you want to just go get the payout. But in your case, as you said, it slows and and it really gets there. I would have assumed though when you were starting that run, your goal was the million, but you somehow ended up there. It wasn't your target. >> Yeah, it it wasn't my target at all. I didn't look I knew I wanted to go on a big run. I didn't know when it was going to happen. I was thinking sometime during 2026, I would do it. >> How did you know when to stop? Because when you're just shy of a million, everyone on earth would be like, "Let me just get to the million." Yeah. And that could have been, "Well, it could go back to zero. So, why did you lock it in where you locked it in?" >> I didn't have a choice. They sent me an email. They're like, "Take the money or or you know, so I didn't have a choice." But at that point, you know, I remember the day after, you know, I was like, "Okay, I'm at 900 something. Let me reduce my size." I was thinking about reducing my size because look greed is one hell of a drug and I was like I was like do you know if I make another 100k is it really gonna be life-changing compared to what I already have from that 900k? No. So, it's just pulling back um down. And what you're saying about slowing down, right? One thing I always say is slow down to speed up because if you slow down enough in terms of, you know, you take base hits, you take consistent trades, you know, $100 and $200 days, that's going to put you further in a year than you would if you're randomly trading, you know, one day you're up $2,000, the next day you're down $1,500. And it's just not consistent, right? Keep it consistent. And that consistency is going to be slow. But people overestimate what they could do in one to two months and underestimate what they could do in a year. compounding over a year works so nicely and people don't believe it because they never done it. If you really sit there and you lock yourself out after any trader, if you lock yourself out every single day with a $250 profit, right, every single day you go over the 280 trading days that are already the year, I guarantee you'll be profitable at the end of the year. I guarantee it. And a lot of people better off doing that because they're not profitable in the first place. Slow down to speed up is like the number one thing I tell new traders like, "Oh, what should I expect in trading?" I'm like, it's going to be a slow game. Like, you need to have you need to think about this in years and two, three years and versus months. A lot of people think monthto month when it needs to be years. >> Epic, man. >> The 900 what was it exactly? 900 >> 936 >> 936,000. Okay. They kind of closed you out right before the million. But anyway phenomenal. >> Yeah. >> What was the day of like and more importantly when it went viral on social media and I guess your friends and your family realized that naturally you feel like the man. Yeah. >> Uh, how did you stop that leading into a downfall right after like it did a few months prior? Walk me through that day off at the next couple of days. >> Yeah, that's that's great. Look, so you know, when the 900k I got the email, I posted on social media day like a couple days after and it went viral on Twitter. I think the tweet almost has a million impressions. That's how I found you. >> Yeah. And then, you know, the Grock was making a bunch of summary pages. It was on everyone's for you page, whatever. And I'm like, okay, >> I was on a really like I'm human. my emotions and my you know I was like oh my god this is it like I'm the [ __ ] right now what did I do I didn't trade for the next 25 days >> nice >> did not trade did not December yeah on purpose I traded some evals you know you know whatever just like I'm still showing up for my community and whatnot but I was like guys I am not putting any risk on >> on my any live accounts or any proper because I know after that I need to take at least a month to settle back down get composed and luckily it was December I usually take every December off anyways right? End of the month, end of the year, the last thing you want to do is lose all your profits. And that's another thing I was scared about. I was like, I just got this I got a huge tax bill I got to pay on this payoff. If I lose 500K right now, what the [ __ ] do I have left? Right? So, it was it was a tax thing, but there's also like I there's no there's no point. I accomplished exactly what I wanted for the year and then I just I just took the rest of the month off. And you know, regardless of when it would have happened, every time I have a really big run, I usually take, you know, that was obviously like the biggest, but now I'm kind of getting used to these numbers and these massive numbers where I'll take a few days off just to reset. Um, and you know, now I could see 100K swing up and down on my live accounts. I it really doesn't bother me as much. Um, but back then I was like 900k, you know, the when the wire hits the bank, it was like a 870k wire after, you know, payout split, right? That's [ __ ] crazy to see that hit your account at one time. So I was like, let me just take time off. And I deserve the time off too, right? So I was like, look, I I I did what I needed to do. Now >> I can. >> So for those 25 days where you're off the markets with 800K in your bank, what did that look like? You had a bit of fun, I suppose. >> Yeah. >> Honestly, the only thing I bought is a watch. That's it. Really? No. Because everything >> I make I I talked about this on stream a few days ago. Everything I make goes to a tax bank account where I save for tax at the end of the year and the rest of it goes straight into my long term. Everything goes in my long term. I told you earlier off I think we're off camera. I was like, I want to retire within the next 5 to seven years. And that's the best way of doing it for me. It's like investing, investing, investing, which even, you know, let's say I have a really bad day trading day, my long-term always carries me and keeps me afloat. And that's that's the biggest thing. And I don't ever touch that account for any day trading. That is my sacred account. I will not ever day trade on it. I won't take anything short-term on it. All of it is long-term positions and long-term leaps. And by options leaps, I mean like a year to two to three year positions, right? And that's it. There's nothing shortdated on that account because that is, you know, majority of what I have is in there because I don't, you know, I I obviously broke it up into different brokers, but it's like why not invest it? I there's no reason for me to really go splurge. Like, you know, I have an apartment. I live in a nice place. The only thing I spend money on is traveling. I travel a lot. And other than that, there's really not much job. My people are taken care of. My family's taken care of. You know, if anyone needs help, I'll help them. you know, if it's like mom, dad, or brother, um, my lady, and that's it. There's no really reason to spend more money. >> It's cool because I think most people in your shoes would have blown it or had had a run of fun after the run of gain. Uh, but you're thinking of your long-term vision, which now we've attacked it on multiple angles. So, let's open up the beast psychology because you got to have >> certain >> beliefs, internal dialogues or routines and rituals to be stoic under pressure when you're on a big run to not mess it up and also once you had the big run to not splurging and just financial discipline. So, I want to walk through through lenses of emotions. I think that would be the cool way to do it rather than just talking in generals. >> Let's start off with greed. Greed is a big beast. >> People get greedy on the evals to do it very fast. People get greedy once you're funded to get as many payouts and when you're on the large floating piano, you want to flip it. Greed is a big one. What is your what is your thoughts on the word and and how do you tackle it? >> Yeah. Before that, it's like I want to talk about emotions, right? We're humans. My emotions aren't shut off, right? I still have the emotions. I just don't act on them. That's the difference, right? You just can't act on the emotions. It's okay to have them. I mean, I hope people have them, right? We're human. But when it comes to greed, it's like when I think of the word greed and me being greedy, I'm like I am whatever I've done in the last five years of trading, I'm kind of going against everything by being greedy in that moment. Like, you know, and that's another reason why I don't trade short-term on my long term because what if one day that tilt gene comes out and now I'm blowing through [ __ ] $4 million, $5 million at one time? Why am I going to be greedy? I know it's going to the data tells me all the collections of trades I've taken that in 5 years I'm most likely going to be at a certain point whether you know it'll probably differentiate maybe 10 to 20% whatever right but if I consistently follow the system consistently consistently consistently I know where the finish line almost is like and that's why I tell people you need to have that data because it'll help you not take you help you not overleverage it will help you not overtrade because you already know where you're going to end up at why not just follow and it really comes down to that a lot of people don't have data collection so they have nothing to look at and like you know what if I just follow this for you know two years this is most likely where I'll end up at right and and that's my biggest thing for green and that's how I'm able to avoid it >> you mentioned your edge is not necessarily your chart skills it's your mind were you were you referencing that in terms of your mind your superpower is your psychology or was it your mind related to the charts >> no it's 100% 100% psychology and I think it also kind of helps with you know how I grew up um you know My mom always used to say not too high on the highs, not too low on the lows. And she always says everything happens for a reason. So these type of like words of like I said it so much to myself growing up that when it's trading I was like wait this is exactly you know everything does happen for a reason. That's when I blew up had that big payout that was you know right there 400k I was like everything happens for a reason. There's a reason why this happened. I don't know when it's going to pay off. I don't know what how it's going to pay off but this happened for a reason. Then obviously you know it happened and it's just you have to have faith man. like you got to have faith in something. Um, you know, my parents are religious, so like for me, you know, I'm not as religious as them or whatnot, but I understand what it teaches and what we should be doing and how we should be following it. And then, you know, they always talk about greed as being terrible and not, you know, asking for a lot. I don't need the whole entire world. I just need a piece of something, right? And, you know, I'm content with where I'm at. That's the biggest thing. Like, yeah, I I want more in terms of like I strive more for myself. I want better. like I know I can do more, but it's not going to kill me if I don't get it. And that's another big thing that has helped me not, you know, oh, let's just take a random 500k trade and see what happens because I can get more or anything outside of trading. I don't need more because I'm content with what I have. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be ambitious for it. It's I'm still going to be just as ambitious, but I understand if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. Like it's not it's not personal, you know? just listening to you and your energy and how you speak, the vibe I get, and correct me if I'm wrong, is you're pretty optimistic as a person and you have a lot of self-confidence and it maybe stems from those mantras that you grew up with or the evidence you've had cuz you're already profitable, but is this an accurate take? >> It is, you know, like I I just try to be as I try to be a calm person like even when I get mad or whatever, I try not to make rational decisions. I always try to sit back and think before I do something. And that has helped me. And I've always done that my whole entire life. So going to trading it was like, okay, I definitely need to do that now. So that's what has definitely helped me is just being calm and looking at everything everything bad that happens. You know, we all we are humans. We all go through our different things. Looking at everything through a positive lens. There's no point in looking at something such a bad lens was already bad, right? Like you know, look at it as a positive lens. See what you can learn from it. And you know, if it's a mistake you made, try not to make it again. And you know, you might make it again. You're a human. But make sure you're learning something from the mistakes you make. Um, and then you if someone else, you know, cheats you out of something, it's like, look, what can you do? Are you going to be sulking about something or you're gonna be like, you know what, you know, it's not okay. I'm not going to forgive someone or it it's just a different way to look at it, a different approach. It's even hard for me to put into words how I look at people and look at, you know, relationships and things like that because there's just so much more to what I can, you know, say because it's a lot of, like I said, it's a lot of inner dialogue, talking to myself, you know, did this person mean bad by this or, you know, why the [ __ ] did this happen? How could why why me? Why me? You know, when it's like, okay, let's put everything into perspective. Perspective is big. I always take a step back. I'm like, okay, take a breather. You're fine. You know, it's just a just a bump in the road. You know, I've seen it in top athletes in all sports. I can reference a bunch, but let's just start off with Ronaldo. Cristiano Ronaldo. Yeah. You can see it when when he's about to take a free kick, he speaks to himself. He's like, "You're the man. You got this." And he really, you know, grounds himself and says, "He's got this." And then, you know, he has a good success rate. >> It seems like you're doing something similar. You're mentioning internal dialogue. You're mentioning take a break and talk to yourself or ground yourself, whatever. What are you doing when you do that? >> So, like a little thing what I always do in my trading, right? I I when I'm trading, I always walk away from the charts and like do little things, right? I'll go get coffee. That makes my morning. I love going on my little walk for coffee. And it's not even the coffee itself. It's by, okay, I'm out and about and and this how I'm talking to myself. I'm reviewing. Okay, how did this morning go? What am I looking forward to later in the session? Do I really want to trade? Some days I wake up and I'm like, I don't I don't want to trade today. And I just be like, guys, I'm not streaming today. Like I look, at the end of the day, sometimes we just don't want to do it, right? and I'm not gonna force myself to do something I don't want to do because that could lead to, you know, losses and, you know, taking bad making bad decisions. It's just checking in with myself. How am I feeling, you know, and it you kind of have to remind yourself sometimes why you're doing it, too. At this point, it's bigger than just me. I'm trying to make sure the people around me are put in positions where they could succeed on their own as well, right? And look, people always, oh, you don't help people too much, but look, like my mom, my dad, my brother, they're going to get all the help my get all the help they ever want because why not? if they're in the same position, they'll be helping me just as much, right? >> So, it's the same way, you know, having your wise, um, doing little things throughout the day where you look forward to something. I just started boxing about a month ago. I really look forward to my boxing sessions with my coach. I really look forward to my coffee with, you know, with my lady in the morning and it's it helps mitigate and kind of put trading into perspective that it's not the end all be all. There is more to life than just being on the charts or taking a loss in the morning. you kind of have to and it helps you forget about it really quickly and move on to the next day. >> Curious if you can have a think and maybe share something you're still working on an area that's challenging you or struggling or maybe holding you back from whatever the next level is for you. >> Something that's holding me back right now. I I would say it you know how I talked about how easier I can hold options trades easier than my futures trade. And it's about getting a little more precise with my futures entries and you know the technical entries of my futures account. Um being a little bit more aggressive on the entries and understanding my risk. That's something I'm still trying to work towards. Uh because I think by heart I'm an options trader. That's what it comes down to. So trading futures and sizing up. Usually I trade around 10 to 15 minutes. Sometimes I'll do 20 minutes. I really would. But going to that what's the next step? What's my next objective? And it's also I got to tell myself, do I even want to take that next step? Right? And that's another thing. I don't think I figured out if I want to take that next step or not or am I content with where I'm at in terms of sizing because I know I can do more. Do I need more? Not really. But I do want to stay ambitious for it. Um, so there's a lot of people I look up into into the future space, Lanto, Kane, uh, Jade, these guys who are doing really big numbers on a live account on futures on a day-to-day basis. okay, their risk management and you know sometimes you know Kane trades like 50 minis trader Kane so it's like how can I get to that level by taking baby steps and that's what I'm working on mainly right now because options I'll be honest with you I can throw I just look at my options trade I enter and then I let the trend play out but futures it's a little bit more of a struggle it's more so biting myself no I don't want to close it or I should close it I don't want to close it right um and that's that's something I'm working on and look I don't know how long it's going to take I don't know what the process in six months. >> But that's that's what I'm looking at. And um also is >> understanding that look, I I always preach that you're only supposed to trade certain days out of the out of the month because I only certain days are pro like out of let's say 22 trading days per per month, probably eight or seven are really high probability. How can I get 10% better on the 15 days that aren't high probability? you know, cutting my a lot of it comes from seeing my system. Everything's right, but the market intuition is telling me not to take the trade, but I take the trade anyways, right? That's the biggest thing that will help me over, you know, a year period if I could just be 10% better in that area. And I said something similar on a different pod, and it's still I'm still working towards it right now, right? Six months later, I'm still I'm still working through that. Is how can I avoid these areas where I'm having a mental battle with, you know, my system's checking off, but mentally I'm like, I don't know how I feel about this one, right? And I want to get to that point where like, okay, if I'm not feeling it, I'm not taking the trade. But I still do sometimes. I'm human, right? And that's where most of my losses actually come from. So, I just need to avoid that and get better at that. And I think that'll be, you know, I can hopefully net, you know, 10 to 15% better by the end of the year. I want to end off with a question specifically for someone which maybe a lot of people actually that pass e vows but never got to pay out number one in a position that you are where you're helping others and you're streaming. I guess you see the battles that most people have. I'm curious to see what advice or frameworks you would give to someone who has a bit of an edge. They've worked on the psychology. They've been on the charts. They back tested all the things you said they're doing but they just can't convert it to the first payout. >> Yep. Size down. That is so key in trading because sizing down not only helps you manage your risk, it helps you psychologically as well. Knowing you're not going to blow your account on a random 100 point candle for whatever reason they don't have a stop-loss in. A lot of people DM me on Instagram and what like what can I do? What can I do? And I always tell them size down. And you'd be surprised how many people reply back to me like dude like two weeks later like this is all it took was simply sizing down. You could do a lot of damage with one to three micros. And it comes from you know people trying to rush the process. Take it slowly. Like that one to three micros will carry you over the top. You know, some of these prop firms like, "Oh, you get a payout in five days or you get a payout in three days." That doesn't mean you have to get a payout in five days. Take your time, spend the 10, 15 days, build yourself, and then size down and take your payout. That is going to help you mentally in trading and obviously the technical aspect will help you execute better as well. >> I love it, bro. An awesome episode. Thank you for sharing your insights. >> Thank you. Here we go. Boom. My man, >> thank you. >> Brilliant stuff, bro. million.