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I started with about $5,000. First month I made
$17,000. Second month another 20 and then 40 and then 60 and then 80 and then 100. So these
are, you know, the two setups that you've used to achieve over $1.5 million in payouts. No
indicators, pure price action and in essence really simple. I studied quantitative finance
in college. Basically just applying it to the charts in a mechanical way. If you can follow
a bias on props, you're going to make a ton of money. He is the world's number one youngest
quant trader with over $1.8 million in total payout so far. Introducing JJ Simon. There is
going to exist a statistically optimal risk and take profit for every single trade you take.
First, the draw down that you have available, the rules of the account. Lastly, your win rate.
If I'm taking like a one to four risk-to-reward, then my bias only needs to be right about 20% of
the time. Pair that with optimal risk and you can be incredibly profitable. Low risk, low reward
is not going to get you anywhere. [music] You have to utilize the proper capital that they're
giving you. So, in my opinion, high risk, high reward is the way to go. But in this episode, JJ
shares his exact strategies which led him to such insane payout numbers. He goes through the exact
rules dependent on the prop firm rules. If I buy an eval, I have a 91% chance of getting nothing.
Nine times out of 10, you lose $100. Basically, optimize for your take [music] profit first.
The stop loss on the other hand is going to be essentially random. Do you ever find though with
that methodology that price could take you out and still the whole bias and everything still be
intact? 100%. But thankfully I have 45 accounts and I'm ready to enter again. I'll start with one.
I'll get the payout, reinvest that payout. Now I'm going to run five funded accounts and go for max
payouts. He goes through how he manages multiple prop firm accounts and he shows his complete
system with live trading. This is the episode you've been waiting for to see a true want trader
trading prop firms and exactly the system behind it. If I'm trying to trade reversion and I lose
three in a row, then I'm done. It's just a market that's most likely not going to revert according
to my statistic. The sessions are 90 minutes long that I trade. Okay. [music] So, you just focus on
that 90 minutes. Yeah. First 90 minutes of every single session. New York, Asia, New York TM. Okay.
So, every every session. Okay. A very easy way for literally anyone watching to automatically check
if they're going to make money on proper before they buy a single account is to JJ, thanks for
being here with us today and I'm super excited to dive into this. I know that the people are
probably super interested into you know exactly how you've been doing everything that you've been
doing and achieve such incredible results on prop firms in such a short amount of time. Um you know
where where's best to begin? Yeah 100%. I think we should start with the strategy and then I'll
show everyone how you can adapt the strategy to run on prop firms specifically. Perfect. Let's go.
Let's do it. So the strategy that I use is called fair pricing theory. Now, I studied quantitative
finance in college and this is sort of some stuff that's taught there. Uh, basically just applying
it to the charts in a mechanical way. You have a theory which creates a bias and if you can
follow a bias on prop firms, you're going to make a ton of money. So, this is the main theory
behind the strategy. Now, fair price is what I'm trying to use to price the NASDAQ futures. And
NASDAQ futures, we're trading companies because it's the NASDAQ. And what that means is I'm
only looking at external factors that impact the price. So pretty much just news and session
opens. So I'll give a little demonstration here of a session open and how I would use fair pricing
theory to trade that open. So if you assume price is coming in at whatever level and then this down
here would be 9:30 a.m. EST. So just the normal New York session. Mhm. From here, there's going
to be an influx of volume from overnight orders being executed and institutions entering. This
is going to create an initial unfair move. So, coming into the session, this is going to be
my fair price, just the opening price of the 9:30 a.m. session. Now, the first trade that I'll
take once a day, every single session that opens, I will take a continuation trade. pretty much
it's just going to be in the direction of the opening candle assuming it aligns with a high time
frame bias that I have and high time frame bias is just for reversion. So pretty much just inverting
whatever happened for the previous 6 to 12 hours. But the main entry signal that I use is literally
just the opening candle. It allows me to get in a slightly plus EV trade on a proper environment.
Then when you pair that with optimal risk, you just want to take as many trades as you can with
your bias. So the first trade literally the color of the first candle as long as it breaks structure
of the previous candles then I'm good then I'm good to enter and I will do a 38 point take profit
and a 25point stop-loss for this trade. If the opening candle is larger than 25 points I'll just
simplify it. Cut my contracts in half. That would make this 76 and that would make this 50. But
that is literally it for the first trade. Just a very quick continuation of the opening move
trying to capitalize on an unfair displacement. After that though, what I'm looking for is
reversions to the opening price. Okay? Again, opening price just 9:30 a.m. The initial move,
whichever way it goes, it doesn't matter to me. All I'm looking to do is revert back towards what
I claim to be the fair price, which is sort of what fair pricing theory is, just a return to the
opening price. And in terms of the entry, there's a few different entries that you can do. The first
one is a displacement candle. Now, what I use for a displacement candle means the body of the candle
must be larger than the body of the previous candle. And it also must close below the wick.
So in this example, it's a slight displacement candle because it closes below the wick of the
previous candle and the body is larger. So that is the first and uh the easiest entry signal. Very
mechanical, literally only two things to look at. If you're getting a displacement towards the fair
price, then I would take a short. Which time frame would you be, you know, looking for that candle
on? Only the one minute time frame. Everything. So everything we talk about will be on the one
minute. Yeah. Everything here is 1 minute. The only thing I'll do on the 5 minutes is look for
my high time frame bias. But you could also just look at the one minute for 12 hours previous
and then still get that same bias. Um, that's pretty much what that's used for. But anyways,
displacement candle will tell me to send the first entry in. And displacement candles are it's
the first entry requirement. The second one is a breakup structure. Now, for breakup structure,
it is pretty similar to a displacement entry, but it's slightly more profitable. The reason
why I take displacements, even though they're less profitable, is because I have so many profit
accounts that I'm trying to trade daily. Mhm. So, if I'm trying to get through 40 accounts, I want
to spread my risk across all of my accounts and then take as many trades as possible with a
slight bias towards a fair price. Okay. Now, for the break of structure entry, it's similar to
the displacement, except it's just the traditional definition of structure. When there's a wick down
here that is lower than the two candles previous, the candle before and the candle after. If the
wick is lower and then a candle comes in here and it breaks the structure, then I will take a
short position. just a standard break of structure entry. Now, the interesting thing about this with
prop firms is you can see if I was to enter here, then I'm getting however many points this is in
my favor towards a fair price. It could be 50, it could be 25, it could even be 100 points
just depending on how far the market moved in the initial continuation. So, when it breaks
structure, I have it on my chart marked out exactly how many points I'm looking to see
in a return to the market open price. Okay, based on that, it's going to be a value near
these. Like most of the time, I will choose a different prop firm account based on the rules
that the prop firm gives me. Some prop firms, it's better to have 100 point take profits. Some
it's better to have 50. Some it's better to have 25. So I'll optimize in this prop firm specific
way by taking funded accounts based on exactly how many points are in my favor. What are the sort
of differences that would then dictate that? So like what are the specific rules that prop firms
might have that then make you make this decision 100%. So the way I trade profits is using static
risk Mhm. and static take profits. So every single trade or not every single trade but a majority
of the trades that I take the risk is going to be something like this with a 1 to 1.5. And this
is great for an evaluation. The reason why is the evaluation has a $3,000 profit target and then a
$2,000 max loss. This in and of itself is a 1 to 1.5. So if you separate your trades into a 1
to 1.5, you're automatically going to have a higher pass rate just because of how the draw down
trails. But then for these funded trades up here, I'm going to choose to take the 100 point trades
on funded accounts that don't have consistency. Basically, if I can let let an account run for
100 points with one contract, two contracts, three contracts, whatever, the larger win, I'm
able to realize all of that expected value if the prop firm does not have a consistency rule. Same
if the prop firm does not have a strict policy where they move you to a live account. If you get
moved to a live account, usually your SIM capital gets reduced and then you have a smaller live
account. So there's no point in going for like 20 $30,000 wins when your live account is going
to be a fraction of that. Mhm. So basically these optimizations here is built on a proper specific
environment to maximize the expected value of a funded account and then in the transition to
live account make sure that I'm being moved to the live account in a way that's going to benefit
me. either taking a payout at the end or getting a large enough live account to make it worth my
time trading it. Evaluations always going to be a 1 to 1.5. It's going to be 2538 or change the
contract size to make it 5076. Evaluations as well will be all of my displacement candle entries.
Funded accounts I like to save for the breakup structure just because it's a much stronger entry.
But evaluations, I'll send as many of them as I possibly can off displacement candles. Anytime I
see a displacement towards fair price, I have a bias. I have an entry and I have optimal risk. And
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the episode. When it comes to the firms that do have a consistency rule, how does that then
differ? How does what changes do you have to make when when in that scenario? Yeah. So firms
with consistency rule, just like the evaluations, the evaluations have a 50% consistency rule. So
automatically when I'm assigned a consistency rule, I'm trying to limit my winners. If you win
too much, then you have to win even more and more and more and your chance of getting that payout
decreases because your profit target increases by way too much. So what I'll do is I'll take a one
to 1.5 risk-to-reward on consistency accounts. It's very simple. Same reason as devaluation.
Sometimes I'll do a one to two, but this is mostly based on the firm and the profit targets that
they assign you to reach for payouts. But these entries are better for consistency. And then you
can even do one to three, four, five, even six, as many points as in your favor towards fair price
on the non-consistency accounts. Close. Yeah. All right. So now let's talk about news events because
like I said in the intro, fair pricing theory is mostly determined by news events. The open is kind
of an event in and of itself just because there's an influx of volume that creates an initial unfair
move. After that though, and during times when it's not a session open, by the way, the sessions
are 90 minutes long that I trade. Okay. So, you just focus on that 90 minutes. Yep. First
90 minutes of every single session. New York, Asia, New York PM. Oh, okay. So, every
every session. Okay. Yep. I just want to realize my bias as many times as possible with an
optimal risk. Now, let's talk about news events. The reason fair pricing theory works is because
you're trying to have a bias towards what a fair price of the future should be. If you can get your
bias right, then you're going to be profitable on prop firms. That's it. Now, the way news impacts
futures is by changing the fair price. There's two types of news. There is expected and then there
is unexpected. So the expected news, this is 8:30 a.m. Red folder news EST. Unexpected is stuff like
tweets, speeches, things like that. You don't know what's going to come out. My favorite trade to
take is the expected news reversion. Basically, what that means is if we have news coming out
here at 8:30, the price is coming in 8:30, you are going to see a huge candle coming off of news. It
could be multiple in a row, it could just be one, but it's going to be a very large candle. If the
news is expected, meaning it's the 8:30 scheduled red folder news, usually happens twice a week,
CPI, PPI, whatever. This is already priced in. The price action that's happened for the previous
6 to 12 hours is moving the market up or down to a fair price because the news is priced in.
Basically, that means there's a forecast and 90% of the time it's going to be very very close to
the forecast in a way where if there is an initial move is extremely unfair. So basically the theory
is that news is priced in it is forecasted. If the outcome is extremely similar to the forecast, then
you can trade a reversion because this here is a fair price. So I use the exact same entry model as
previous just to trade these reversions. So that same premise really and same philosophy behind the
trade. Yep. Now of course there is also unexpected news that would mostly be Trump tweets, speeches,
Fed chair, whatever. Example for this would be the price is here and then out of nowhere Trump
tweets something extremely positive for the economy and then it goes all the way up here.
Instead of trying to revert like I would here this is actually changing the fair price of the
futures. The reason this one doesn't is because it was already expected what the result would be.
So the initial move is unfair. This one completely unexpected. No one expected him to tweet this or
that. So it's going to change the fair price of the futures. After the fair price has changed. I
will use the most recent consolidation as the new fair price going forward. So this would be my new
fair price. You are allowed to do two different types of trades with unexpected news. The first
one is a continuation. If you are able to get in somewhere here, you're going to have a slight
positive expectancy in terms of news drift. News drift is basically a common studied phenomenon
where if news is positive is more likely than not, just very slightly to continue upwards just
over the next few hours. So if you're able to get in as soon as you see that tweet, soon
as you see the chart having a huge jump, then that slight positive EV, then follow it with
optimal risk. Of course, after this, you could also take a similar type of news drift. There's
consolidation here. So if it breaks structure up, then I would take another news drift trade long.
On top of that, I would trade a reversion. So consider it keeps going up. After that, I would
revert back to the most recent consolidation. Okay, this consolidation is what I determined to
be the fair price because it is where the price has stagnated after an unexpected news event. So
these are pretty much the only ways to trade my strategy. Continuation, reversion, continuation,
reversion, continuation, reversion. In terms of the the drift side of things, like how do you
determine your take profits in those scenarios? Because it's probably going into more of a price
discovery area. Y maybe not like within alltime highs or anything but just generally speaking in
comparison in these trades you're targeting the fair value in the reversion here you're targeting
the fair value but the drift is obviously very different it's heading in a in a direction where
you might not have a fixed target exactly yeah so continuations are always a little bit worse than
reversions just for me and in general because you don't know exactly where the fair price is if for
some reason it's up here and you don't know how far it's going to continue reversion so easy you
just mark out that exact price the market open at and just revert to that. But like you said,
the continuations are hard. What I will do for continuations is give myself the largest possible
stop-loss. Okay. And the reason why I do that is if you have a slight positive bias, so a slight
linear drift that you're expecting the chart to go through, there's a ton of different equity
curves that the price could go through on its way to complete this positive equity curve. Mhm.
So pretty much you're realizing a bias and you want to have a stop loss large enough to where a
small amount of these random simulations of price come down to stop you out. So most of the time
I'll take these on funded accounts and that's because if you have a bias that small percentage
of edge in your favor is much more valuable to capture on a funded account than an evaluation
because obviously you don't make money on the eval funded account gets you the payouts. So that's
where you want to realize most of your bias, which is why I take the strongest trades here and
these trades here with a very large stop-loss and a strong bias. Understood. So in terms of the
large stop-loss in this scenario, for example, would that look to be below the sort of previous
consolidation? Yeah. Okay. It's a very simple mechanical optimization. I assume on a live
account even more optimizations would exist, but it's very important to simplify your
strategy as much as physically possible for a prop firm environment. And with this one as
well, in terms of the target, would you still be looking at your sort of 1 to 1.5 as an average or
would you literally just wait until price starts to consolidate? I'll do two different things.
First, I won't have a profit target. And it is a continuation trade, so obviously you don't
know how far it's going to go. But if it's on an uptrend in my in my favor in a continuation and
it's forming structure on its way up, if it ever breaks structure against me, I will exit. Okay.
Will you trail the stop or you just manually be monitoring? I'll just manually monitor and exit
whenever it breaks structure because sometimes it could wick and then continue up and that's
technically not a break of structure. So it's really important. So do you wait for a candle
close? I will. Yes. Always waiting for candle closes on displacement and breakup structures.
Understood. Yeah. Perfect. And then so these are, you know, the two setups that you've used to
achieve over $1.5 million in payouts. What's so interesting about this though is that there's
no indicators, pure price action. And in essence really simple yeah when broken down you know and
would you say though that there's a real need to understand these numbers and I guess that leads
to a question of like what was your process to get to this point where you have these very specific
models specific numbers that you follow specific time windows how did you build you know that sort
of really detailed approach y you know what led you to do that obviously you mentioned you know
as we came into this episode like having that uh degree in quant finance Is that something
that has helped and and sort of pushed you in this direction? Yeah, 100%. I think just studying
a lot of math, statistics and uh finance of course helped me develop this approach. Um but I think
for people watching the most important thing to do is try and find the optimal risk for prop firms.
There is going to exist a statistically optimal risk and take profit for every single trade you
take. And that's based on a few factors. First, the draw down that you have available. the rules
of the account like consistency, winning days, whatever. And lastly, your win rate, basically
your risk-toreward and how often you win that trade. So, if you have a very high win
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Apex today. Let's get back to the episode. If you have a very low win rate, like you're targeting
1 to six, you'd want to risk less. Yeah. And the reason the reason for that is within the proper
environment, you want to make sure that a trailing draw down does not impact your expected
value. Basically, anytime you make profit, a draw down trails up. Yeah. You're losing that
because if you make $1,000 and it trails up, then you still only have $2,000 worth of draw down. At
least you're $1,000 in profit, but you didn't make any new draw down to trade with. So basically
the the way that I made money on prop firms is finding a good risk-to-reward for the evaluation
which is is probably just going to be 1 to 1.5 for everybody if it's a minus 2k plus 3k and then on
what account size is that all that's a 50k that's a 50k yep and this is all futures NASDAQ only is
what I trade but the funded account is where it gets a little bit more difficult to model expected
value pretty much if you're technically savvy You could code simulations basically imitate
the prop firm rules combined with your exact risk-to-reward and exact win rate and from there
you'll know exactly what is the optimal amount to risk on every trade and the optimal amount to have
a profit target on every trade if you're modeling for the expected value of the prop firm. Now
obviously it's a little bit difficult to simulate things like this. Even AI can't do it. I tried to
have it simplify some things for me but it's it's unable to which is unfortunate. But a very easy
way for literally anyone watching to automatically check if they're going to make money on prop firms
before they buy a single account is to back test in a prop firm environment. I see everyone online
back testing these equity curves for live accounts and then okay it went up good equity curve over
time the strategy works then they're going to try it on a profit account and they're going to get
confused why they keep hitting the max loss. Mhm. It's because prop firms are designed in a way
where those positive equity curve live account strategies don't work. And what you should do is
go into your back test and pretend you have 10 accounts with tops of lucid whatever you have 10
funded accounts. From there you're going to trade the same risk-to-reward on every single account,
every single trade on the evaluation. From there you can determine your pass rate. All you need to
do is back test for your pass rate. And don't back test for your equity curve. Your equity equity
curve like this one that doesn't matter on a prop firm. Hm. All you need to find out is your pass
rate. And from there, I have a nice little formula where you can find how much it cost you to get a
funded account. That would be the cost of a funded account, an evaluation like $100 divided by your
pass rate. If your pass rate is 25%, that means you pass one out of four. So, it cost you $400
to achieve your funded account. Mhm. From there, you simulate that a bunch of times to find your
exact pass rate. Divide it from the cost of your evaluation. you'll know exactly how much it cost
you for a funded account in the long run. Assuming you're assuming you follow the same strategy
and risk in the actual market. From there, once you have this value, all you need to do is make
sure your expected value of your funded account is larger than this. That means you're going to
make money. The expected value of a funded account is pretty much how much you can take out of the
account in its lifetime. Only payouts, that's the only thing that matters. Yeah. Hitting your max
loss, all you lose is $400. you don't lose the $2,000 of SIM capital or whatever. So, you only
lose 400. So, take that same exact back test and now pretend that you have 10 funded accounts. Same
exact thing. Try different risk-to-rewards. See which one of the risk-to-rewards in terms of,
and by risk-to-reward, I mean static numbers. I don't mean only do a 1 to2 or only do a
1 to 1.5 based on your account, your rules, the strategy. You should be following a static
risk. And one static risk must be theoretically optimal. if there's so many to choose from and
it's applied to these specific rules. So again, same thing with the eval back test to find your
expected value of the funded account. Basically, if you were to have a 100 funded accounts over
the course of a year, how many payouts in total would you get with what specific risk-to-reward?
One of them will be optimal and that's the one you should choose. And then your expected
value should be greater than your average cost to get a funded account. From there, you
automatically know your strategy is profitable. All you have to do is follow it in the actual
proper market. Would you say though using that model is there limitations or things to sort of
be aware of especially with these sort of changes within the futures industry that we're seeing well
futures prop firm industry that we're seeing over recent months and probably going to continue
to see going into the future as well. Yeah, 100%. The two things to be aware of. The first
one is variance. 100%. Anyone who trades should be aware of variance. 100% basically just means how
lucky you are or not. And you need a sample size large enough to where variance is not going to be
a problem. I'd recommend 50 evaluations. Back test 50 evaluations. At that point, you'll have a good
estimate of your pass rate. If you only try three and you lose all of them, it's not because the
strategy doesn't work. It just has a slight draw down period. You shouldn't change after that
because again, you could have a very positive equity curve on your valuations and you just hit
a little draw down and you stop. That's not going to it's not going to get you that positive bias
over time. in terms of what you were saying with the futures profer environment changing is very
true. Rules are changing day-to-day live accounts are being introduced more often to traders. So the
same expected value could be lower or it could be higher and most of that is based around the live
accounts. Um it's every trader's goal obviously to get to the live account on a prop firm and then
scale their capital. So you need to be aware of how that would change your expected value. Now,
thankfully, it is a pretty easy formula to find your expected value of a live account. Assuming
I had a $10,000 live account, the expected value of this account is $10,000. Mhm. If I have a
funded account with $2,000 worth of draw down, maybe it's a,000, maybe it's like 1,200, whatever
I can on average get in payouts. Live account, very easy to find the expected value. Assuming
you're a break even trader, it would just be $10,000 because you start at 10K and then you have
equity curves that pretty much oscillate around $10,000 in the long run. You do pay some fees
which can decrease your equity curve a little bit, but assuming you're slightly above break even
and you wouldn't be profitable on a live account on your own. That's why we're trading prop
firms, then you would have $10,000 worth of expected value in the live account. So, as you're
simulating, be sure to understand if you run up a huge SIM balance, you're likely going to get
a live account worth 10,000 or whatever. So, you need to definitely definitely include that
in your expected value calculation. And when it comes to these particular models, would they be
something you can replicate on the live account or is this specifically modeled around prop firms
only? All of this stuff with a specific profit targets and riskreward is proper specific. If I
was to trade a live account, I would only trade reversions first of all. Okay? I would only trade
breakup structure. Second of all, okay, and third, most likely only trade expected news reversions.
Those are the strongest of the trades that I take. That's why I risk the most on them in my funded
accounts. Um, but in general, on a live account, you would not want to do a static risk and a
static take profit. You would want it to be discretionary based on what the market is
showing you. But in a proper environment, static is 100% the way to go. M and why why is it
that the expected sort of news reversion is the sort of A+ setup for you, right? It's because news
every single time is priced in. There's always a forecast for it. You can see it on Forex Factory.
Like 99% of the time it's going to be very close to that forecast. Sometimes it's going to be an
outsider and the outsiders are pretty obvious to tell on the chart. Basically, it's just going to
go up and it's going to keep going up. You won't even see a short entry. So, you don't even get
concerned with losing that sort of trade. Um, but the expected ones are 100% the strongest since
the initial candle is 100% of the time unfair. The reason why the market open is a little bit worse
is because sometimes this initial continuation could be going towards a fair price that is up
here. Mhm. The market open is not fair 100% of days at that exact price. Yes, it's just a very
strong bias that you can use on profirms. But with news, I I can't say 100%. But I'd say a very good
portion of the time the pre-news price is going to be fair. And with these two models and and well
examples that we have in front of us, they're obviously showing sort of a bullish example with a
reversion to the downside. I'm guessing the exact same would be the if it was to flip. If we were
to have obviously the sort of push aggressively to the downside and the reversion upwards, it would
just be the same principle just flipped over. Yeah, exactly. I'll take reversions continuations
anyway that the chart is showing me. Cool. So as we move on to the sort of the next question which
would be in regards to when you've seen people trying to implement this you know what has been
if you were to sort of really think about it what would be the the key struggles or hurdles because
no doubt you probably have people coming to you who have been trying your ICT strategies even
maybe orderflow strategies or price action based or indicator based and now you're really taking
them I won't say out of their comfort zone but really just showing them hey here's a mechanical
ical system and a lot of the time with those other systems you can make it mechanical but most
people are obviously using a lot of discretion um and probably unfortunately a lot of people
don't actually have an edge or an expected value they just have a a a particular set of sort of
rules and concepts that they're using and they might even be using them you know day-to-day in a
random sort of uh combination y so when it's come to actually you know using a mechanical system you
backed by data something that you've used yourself And now you've seen success with other people
as well of course. But what has been sort of that that hurdle if you if any if any you know
that stand out to you when sort of making that transition making that change uh to trading in
this this manner? Yeah 100%. I think the thing most people get wrong about my strategy there's
two things. The first one is that for whatever reason people are going to try and back test it
on a live equity curve. They're going to pretend that they have a live account and they're going to
back test for that equity and they're going to be surprised. Why am I not making money? Well, you're
using a static risk and using a static riskreward that's optimized for prop firms. If you personally
want to optimize this bias for live accounts, go for it. But prop firms right now are so incredibly
profitable where you should only be trading prop firms. So basically what I'm saying is please back
test in a prop firm specific environment. Find your pass rate, find your expected value. Don't
be surprised when you use a static minus 500 plus 750 when it doesn't work on a live account because
it's optimized for a prop firm. That is more of a macro thing that most people are confused about
and get wrong. But in the specific strategy, something most people are struggling with is the
adaptation of fair price. For example, we think the open is fair, so I'm going to trade reversions
to the open. It's not going to win every day. The days that it doesn't win are days where you don't
want to keep shorting into a bullish market or keep buying into one that's absolutely dumping.
So, I try to adapt fair price if my trades are losing. So, I won't keep trading back towards
the market open if it's trending heavily in one direction. That's a little a little optimization
that you can do. It does unfortunately change the strategy from very step-by-step mechanical to a
little bit discretionary. But as you get better at it, you can add your own discretion. Of course,
everyone has stuff that they know, stuff that they've learned, some of it might work. You should
try to use the bias of fair price. Maybe you have a different entry model than mine. Maybe you have
other confluences, but if you're on a prop firm, at least use the bias. The bias is what is so
incredibly profitable and that's why I take so many trades per day. In terms of that, that
was one of the questions I was going to have in terms of like do you have certain rules around the
number of trades you take? Um do you have to have put some sort of control or limits because even
though it's mechanical obviously that human nature element of you know maybe taking quite a few
number of trades, maybe having a number of losses. Y how do you find one the focus on the discipline
side to make sure that each trade is alongside your mechanical system um versus you know maybe
taking a handful of trades that were with the mechanical system but taking losses y and then in
the process of going on tilt and then overtrading because you know that you're taking a large number
of trades in a day but then suddenly does that open the door to you going off system and going
off your mechanical playbook. 100%. Just with the opportunity to take so many trades throughout the
day, I guess it could be very easy to fall into that gamblers mindset of I just want to enter.
I don't really care where it's going to go. But there's a few things that I could say regarding
that. Personally, if I'm trying to trade reversion and I lose three in a row, then I'm done. It's
just a market that's most likely not going to revert according to my statistics. So, I'm just
done at that point. Second, tilt on prop firms is a very interesting thing to talk about. Most
people attribute all of their losses on profits to going on tilt, but it's not actually as bad
as most people think. It's actually a completely random entry, which should be break even expected
value. The only thing that changes is you're introducing a bunch of unneeded variance. You
can have the possibility to blow your account or possibility to have huge wins. The problem with
huge wins is they're usually capped because it's a prop from environment. But going on tilt is
not really a problem for me. Uh, I think just because I have such a statistical approach where
I know if I follow it step by step, I'm expecting to make X amount per month and I don't really get
mad at a loss because I know it's just part of the system. It's part of a positive equity curve of my
bankroll that can have down moments at some time. The most important thing though is to simulate
back up your confidence that you know it's going to make money in the long run. An additional thing
that I'll tell people with tilting, and like I said, it's not that bad because it's just break
even if you're randomly trading, and it's not the worst thing, but if for some reason you feel
you're going into tilt and you have an account that's at $2,000, you're going to get a payout
from it soon. If you're on Tilt, do not trade that account. You're risking $2,000 of your account
to win whatever. So, it's break even. But if you go on Tilt, you buy 20 new evaluations for $100
each. That's the same $2,000. It is much more fun and it will get you off tilt way faster to trade
all 20 of those evaluations correctly. Instead of just gambling and coin flipping your one funded
account, it's about to get a payout. You can risk the same amount, have more fun, make more money,
and then your downside is capped because if you're trading 20 evals individually, your risk will
spread across all of them. Worst case, you have a really bad pass rate because you're gambling them
and it's like 30, not 30%, 20%, 15%, whatever. At that point, you're not coin flipping $2,000 worth
of expected value, your variance is extremely reduced because it's spread across 20 valuations.
So, if you ever go into Tilt, do it on the eval, not the funded accounts. Mhm. Would you say as
well when you're trading these accounts as you say about individually is that individually in terms
of per firm or do you mean literally each account even if let's say you have five or one firm are
you trading each of those account individually or you trading say the five set at this firm five at
this firm get 20 at that firm whichever it may be like how do how are you doing that are you sort
of treating them as an individual firm set of evals or individual accounts yeah so let's talk
about how I'm able to place 30 trades throughout the day. Yeah. I'll just simulate everyone a
random New York session. I'm just going to draw a random curve, a random chart. It could even go
like that. Like it doesn't matter where it goes. This is just going to be a New York session. I'm
going to trade it from 9:30 until 11. And the way I'm getting 30 accounts in is I see this is the
fair price. I'm just going to trade toward to and from it the whole session. And there's a few
different entries that I could take. Obviously, the displacement entry is going to give me a bunch
of entries. And if it's coming back down, like 95% of the time, there is going to be a displacement.
Sometimes it reverts in one candle. So, I can't really catch that. But most of the time, I'm gonna
have a a reversion there, there, there, there, there, there. Just so many reversions throughout
the day. And what I do is I notice how many points are in my favor on this one, how many points are
in my favor on this one? And then, of course, trade the different account based on that because
it's optimal to do so. But in terms of getting that many trades throughout the day, um days like
this are actually harder. Days where it's going up and down, staying near the fair price is much
harder. Another example of or like a day where it's only going one direction. So it go like this,
it won't revert. It'll continue going down. Maybe it'll stay stagnant and continue going down like
a non-reversion day. Obviously, those are worse for me because I have a bias back towards 9:30
here. Yeah. And it doesn't revert. So most my trades are going to be losers. Not all cuz I get
in here and maybe I hit take profit. Get in here, maybe it wins, maybe it doesn't. But that's three
entries and when it's stagnant, I'll usually take a trade in the stagnation. The reason for that is
again I do have a bias and if my bias is correct, then it's slightly profitable to take that
trade with an optimal risk. Now days like this, I do what's called layering evaluations. I don't
really want to copy trade because it just gives me extra variance that there's not really any need
to take if I'm able to get in a bunch of different trades. Mhm. So, what I'll do is I'll send one
account in here and if there's some structure here and it breaks structure again, I'll send another
one. But basically, I'll enter on displacement really early and if it breaks structure, I'll get
in again on another account. So, these moves here, they give me basically two entries, but the same
exposure. Okay, just reducing variance through a little bit of a And would it matter if it's on the
same firm or or different firms? It doesn't matter as long as the accounts and you know the rules are
right. as longable to your system. Yeah. As long as you've optimized for the risk-to-reward and
the specific rules, it doesn't matter which prop firm you traded on. It does make it easier just to
do all within the same one because my evaluations are mostly static. Even if I see 50 points to a
fair price, I'm not going to go for 50 points in the eval. I'm only going for 38 because 38 is
optimal according to my static risk-to-reward. Mhm. And then in terms of uh as you mentioned the
sort of free loss rule that you have would is that per session because as you mentioned like you'll
do this particular session obviously probably one of the more popular trading sessions the New York
open but then as you said the lunchtime Asia you say London as well. Yep. Works for London. So
when you have the free loss rule is that for that session then you stop. Yeah it's three losses
in a row in one session in a row. Yep. In a row. Three in a row. It should be pretty clear that the
price is trending in one direction and just not reverting. But days like this where it's a little
choppy, maybe it could still come back. These days, I'm just going to keep taking trades. It's
just these right here where I lose three attempts all very quickly. And you can see price moving
away still. Yeah. Okay. At that point, there is something that I don't know. For some reason, the
fair price is up here. I don't know something. So, I'm not going to trade anymore. And when something
like that happens, let's say, and then it moves on to the next session. Yep. is your fair value then
this let's say in this scenario this area here y um which then again you would mark out and then be
waiting to see what price does in the next opening session. Yeah, exactly. So going into following
sessions the new fair price would be up here. Understood. 9:30 is not a target after 11:00
a.m. Okay. It is just a high time frame bias for reversion because in the long run markets are
reverting. Markets are reverting on the 1 second, the 1 minute, the 10 minute, the 1 hour markets
are reverting. And the reason why 930 is only a high time frame bias is because it's too far in
the past for it to still be considered a fair price. If for some reason 930 was fair and it was
all the way up here, when volume is introduced, it would 100% come back down to 9:30. Mhm. But
obviously it's not. So I didn't pretty much disclassify 930 as a fair price going forward
after 11. Okay. So you won't there wouldn't be a scenario where you're using say on that day
uh the 9:30 or previous days sort of fair value prices. is always based on what the latest most
recent session open and where that fair value been placed in or news related wise where that's been
placed in right now. Yep. And fair value could change throughout the New York session if for some
reason there's an unexpected tweet or something like that. Yes. And you get a very quick move up
then you 100% have to adjust fair value to the consolidation after that tweet. Understood. Okay.
One last thing about fair price and different sessions is a little bit discretionary, but you
can try to apply it as best you can. Between 11 to 2 p.m. there is basically no volume. It's kind
of a dead time in the market. So, it is possible, slightly possible for price to be trading at an
unfair price between 11 and 2 p.m. Mhm. Then when the 2 p.m. session opens, which is another session
that I trade, if 2 p.m. opens down, I will try to trade it all the way back down to 9:30. Okay?
Basically just using the influx of volume from the 2 p.m. session as a continuation trade and a
reversion trade back towards what could possibly be a fair price. Again, it's a bias. And if I'm
taking like a one to four risk-to-reward, then my bias only needs to be right about 20% of the
time. And it should be pretty easy to have that bias especially on a prop firm. Then just pair
that with optimal risk and you can be incredibly profitable. When it came to separating the
accounts, you know, with uh different consistency rules for example, do you just find when it comes
to say large trades like this example, would you just purely take those only on evaluations or
funded accounts that don't have the consistency? Yes. or is there a world where you know even if
it has a consistency you would just make sure that every trade is fitting the similar R. So in
terms of this you know particular example one to four you would just have to keep hitting one to
fours on that account so that consistency sorts itself out or would you purely just say make it
easier for yourself by saying okay let's just take them on no consistency either. So I'll add some
little space here to talk about this um with a 1 to four on a consistency account you should never
do that. Mhm. The reason why is in order to pass, if it's 20% consistency, then you need 20 RR.
Basically, 20%* 4 gives you 20 because it's five trades of four riskreward to be up 20. Mhm. Now,
it is going to take you most likely 3 to 6 months in order to keep doing 1 to four once a day. It
is going to take about 3 to 6 months to get your 20 RR if you're doing minus 1R plus 4R once a day.
And the reason for that is because of oscillation. So assuming you start here at zero and your goal
is 20, we'll even assume you're a very profitable trader with this strategy. If you go up four,
down one, up four, down one, it is not possible to continue that exact same profitability all the way
up to 20. Mhm. Realistically, you're going to win four, lose 1 2 3, win four, lose 1 2 3, win four,
lose four, win four. Like, you're going to have you're going to have a positive equity curve if
your strategy is good. But it's going to take you absolutely forever to reach 20. That is another
reason why I prioritize the lower risk-to-reward of like a one one or a 1.5 on the consistency
accounts. It's because I'm much I'm getting to the goal much faster because the goal here if
I'm doing one one is only to hit five R. And with a one to one I am still going to oscillate
and it's going to take a little bit of time but significantly faster than getting all the way up
to here. And your win rate naturally will probably be higher as well. Yeah, the win rate definitely
is higher if the lower your profit target is. And the higher your win rate, the faster you're
going to pass the valuations and get towards payouts. And what would you say in terms of uh
the limitations that you face? Is there like you are at 1.5 million right now in under 18 months
which is incredible but would you say there's like almost a cap when it comes to trading in this
manner which might be around that sort of figure 1.5 maybe 2 million etc. Y um obviously there's
more futures firms that are coming out every single day for better or worse. Y like what what
is your mindset when it comes to saying okay these you know the top five or top 10 firms I've already
sort of you know maximized my return and sort of moved to live. So the opportunity cost might not
be there anymore. That expected value might not be there anymore for the system, but now you have
a lot more options that might be available. Yeah. You know, what does that look like for you when it
comes to okay, making that decision of okay, maybe we have to go to some of these newer firms. How
do you look at that? How do you sort of observe that and make your calculations accordingly? Or is
it just a risk you have to take in terms of okay, yes, the rules might be similar, but then you're
not sure about, you know, achieving certain payout amounts. Right. It is it is a little bit of
both. I think the most important thing to do is understand how your expected value changes as
you move to a live account. Every single pro firm in their help center will tell you exactly
when they move you to live exactly what the rules are on live. So you could simulate that as
well. Find out the expected value of that proper specific live account. Okay? As well as if you
have five funded accounts with whatever balance, understand that when you go live, they're removed
and they become the live account. So any profit that you had there is no longer your profit. Mhm.
So what I do now is mostly optimize my approach around the live accounts. When I first started,
it was only optimized for the funded accounts because like a year and a half ago, there was
basically no risk of ever going live. But now everyone goes live on prop firms. As soon as you
make a little bit of money, they're trying to move you live so that everyone can make money. And it's
a good thing, but you need to be aware of how your expected value changes and then optimize that as
well. Basically, the way I structure my approach to firms that move me to live is I want to only
go live when it's going to make me money. So, I see the requirements for going live.
I know if I go live with this firm, I'm getting a $15,000 expected value account.
So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to keep my SIM funded balance below $15,000. I'll I'll
trade in between 13 and 14K. If I go over 15K, like I run it up to 20K and I get moved live, then
I lost 5K in expected value. So, I optimized for how I'm getting moved live and the expected value
there. So, then my approach specifically will only make me money if I go live. Understood. There's
also a bunch of different firms coming out like you said, and I definitely love trading with
new firms. Um, new firms have very good payout policies because they're trying to compete and get
into a very difficult market. If it's a new firm, they also have to pay you out or else the
reputation's gone and then they can't grow. So, these new firms are actually kind of a little
gold mine because they have really good rules and they have to pay you out or else their company's
not going to make it. So, I like to get into these new little firms and I'll only trade one account
at a time. Okay, I wouldn't grab five evals, get five fundeds, make $10,000 on all of them just
in case, right? I'll start with one, I'll get the payout, reinvest that payout. Now, I'm going to
run five funded accounts and go for max payouts. Understood. And in terms of the let's say breaking
down the numbers that 1.5 million, what's the sort of cost um to make that sort of amount so far for
you? It's about 400,000. Really? Yeah. Okay. So, it is quite expensive, but I started with about
$5,000. You started with 5,000. Y first month, I made $17,000. Second month I believe was another
20 and then 40 and then 60 and then 80 and then 100. And it unfortunately is getting a little bit
lower. So, I'm not able to stay above six figures every month. It's mostly like 100, then 75, then
60, then 100. Is that because of like sort of the changes in terms of moving to live, etc.? Yeah.
Expected value is getting a little bit worse because prop firms are increasing their prices.
Just just straight up. Um, but it's still very possible to make six figures a month, especially
if you're new. If you're new to prop firms, they're not going to try and limit you and send
you live until you've proven profitability. So, if you were to just come on to Prop FMS today,
you could 100% hit a few six figure months in a row before eventually it would come down to
about 50, 75, 100K a month. And would you say that obviously this is a an amazing opportunity
you know and and you've achieved such a great success with the changes. Would you say that your
mindset is to develop something for a live account and develop something that you would whether
it's a live account on a firm or just your own personal live account now that you've achieved
these figures for yourself and and have this return. Is that where your sort of mind goes
next? Yeah 100% profits were an excellent way to build the bankroll. M um I do have a bunch of
money in my funded accounts right now. So if I was to stop spending and only go for winning days and
just withdraw all of that, I'd probably get about 250k back. Okay. So if I just totally stopped
trading profarmms right now and just only did winning days, I could get about 250k back more. So
then it's like 400k spent, 1.75 million in profit, which is a really good amount to start your own
live account, obviously like seven figures. But my main goal right now is to get to a $5 million
net worth and then open a hedge fund. So I want to trade strategies like this and capture
inefficiencies in the market on a live account but with profit specific live accounts. You can
take a similar approach where you're optimizing expected value. The reason for that is they're
not traditional live accounts. A traditional live account is $10,000 in your balance. You grow it.
Whatever your payout is, you can take it whenever just like it's a normal brokerage account. The
proper specific live accounts still have a bunch of rules. Thankfully they do have bonuses but
they have draw down limits. They have payout limits. They have payout splits. But the bonuses
are the best part. So when I move to live, I will optimize for my chance to receive that bonus. A
quick little example with Lucid or Tradeify. If you make $4,500 on a 150K live, then you get a
$4,500 bonus, which is great because if you're essentially you start with zero and you have
a $4,500 max loss, if you reach plus400, you get an extra $4,500 added to your account. So the
expected value there is basically doubled because if you make 4.5k then you get a 4.5k bonus. So I
will optimize for my chance of getting that bonus and the instant I hit 4.5K in the account I'm not
going to trade it again just because I want to get to that bonus and I want to receive it. If I'm at
4.5K and I'm risking that 4.5K try and like double it again and get it to 9K. Most people think okay
I'm trading with lot of capital. I want to grow it. But you need to wait until the bonus hits your
account. And the reason for that is if you're at 4.5K worth of account and you have a 4.5K bonus
that should be coming in in a few weeks once you qualify for it and you still risk that. You're
actually risking 9K when 4500 when your account only has 4,500 in it. So there's a few ways to
optimize around the profit specific live accounts. That's mostly what I'm doing right now. But in the
future definitely the goal is to run my own hedge fund. Understood. Would you say that a large part
of this in terms of being able to be disciplined, stick to the mechanical edge is understanding
what a mechanical edge actually means uh in terms of you've done the data, you know the
numbers and that only by sticking to it and following that process will the again as you say
you can't say guaranteed in trading but this is closer to a guarantee or at least a understanding
you know how they say you know trade statistics understand your numbers. That's essentially what
you're doing when you're trading mechanically and it may be a bit of a leap or change in mindset
that a lot of traders probably have to do. Like, have you always traded this way or did you trade
more discretionary before? I have always traded with the statistically optimal proper approach.
The strategy has pretty much been the same for 16 months. When I first started out, I was
kind of messing around with the strategy. Um, but the risk-to-reward, how much you risk per
trade, what your profit target is per trade, that must be statistically optimal or you're
not maximizing your potential on the prop firms. Understood. Well, now we're going to go over
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All right, so there is no news this week. So I'm going to go over Tuesday, July 14th, and then
Wednesday the 15th because those were the red folder days of last week. Mhm. This was CPI. This
is 8:30 a.m. red folder news. Like I said earlier, it's priced in. So this right here is the price
before news. Obviously, green candle means it started here and ended up there. So this is going
to be the fair price going forward. Now in terms of the entry, of course, every entry is going to
be short just back towards this fair price here. Now what I'll do is I'll wait for a displacement
candle or a break of structure. Now we can analyze them one by one. First, this is not a displacement
candle. Two qualifications needed. The body must be larger and it must close below the wick. This
one only the body is larger. So no displacement here. Then we do get a break of structure right
here. This is obviously structure because it is a wick lower than the two candles next to it.
Okay. From there breakup structure and my target is going to be all the way back down here towards
the fair price. When you say the the wick side of things is that with the understanding that on
the lower time frame. Yeah. Because normally structure for people, you know, the if you will
the conventional way or how people observe it is they observe it like lower lows, lower highs,
etc., right? And then that being a break here below the previous low. So is it just taking the
mindset of without having to go into the seconds etc. that that would in this essence be low
lower high and then that broke. Yep. Uh and then obviously the next candle obviously trying
to break and then it's broken through. Yeah, exactly. So, I'll just use these little intra
intra candle structures like normally structure obviously stands out a lot more and the more it
stands out the stronger it is. Gotcha. I just would use these because it's going to give me a
pretty easy entry and it's just something I can mechanically say the instant it closes below this
when I classify structure then I'm just going to short. Got there's no thinking is it going to go
down? I don't know. I'm just going to enter. So having speed and having kind of a an aggressive
approach is very good. And what would you need to do in terms of uh execution? Are you executing
off a phone? You got to trade on Trading View. Like what's going to allow you to have that
speed? I've just traded on this computer for uh all 18 months. Really? Yeah. I have a desktop.
I have Trading View and Forex Factory open. And I have all my prop firms on this computer. Um I've
just always done it. Didn't really want to switch away. Um but one important thing that I will add
for the entries is you can look down here at the bottom right. You can see the clock. Right now
it's 11:40 and then 50. As soon as this hits 51, then you're noticing like it's the next second.
So, as soon as it's going to hit 60 and then 61 or like the next minute, you know that the candle
closed. So, I'm just watching the clock and then boom, next minute I check over here to see if it
closed and then enter. So, it's like split second. Did it close below? Yes or no. So, just very easy
aggressive entry style that I take. So, in terms of this one, stop loss goes above the structure. I
guess there's actually a few different options for the stop loss. Okay. basically optimize for your
take profit first. Okay, on a proper environment. So, I'm seeing 170 167 points in my favor. Now,
what I'm going to do is I'm look at my dashboard, which is just coded to tell me the optimal risk
for all of my accounts, and it's going to say you need 150 points on this one, 200 on this one,
175 on this one. This is closest to 175. So, my profit target is just going to be 175 points.
After it hits fair price, it's essentially random. Okay? But in this case, it's close enough to my
take profit where I don't really have a problem letting it run for an extra seven or eight
points. Now, the stop loss on the other hand is going to be essentially random. It's going to
be static, but again, optimized based on a prof. Because if my profit target down here is 175 and
it's telling me to use one contract or whatever, so it's going to make me exactly 3,500 or
whatever with one contract. Then the stop loss, if my account is telling me to risk 500, then
it's going to be at that amount of points be at 25 points. if okay with one contract because my
profit target is what I'm really optimizing for like it's just going to be 3,600 for the specific
account based on the expected value of it okay then the stop loss is just going to be whatever
the reciprocal of the take profit is basically um so it's going to be completely random I guess in
a way where the takerit is more important that's interesting very interesting because obviously you
know a lot of people will take the the opposite mindset with it sort of focusing on the stop loss
and normally the conventional rule being you know an invalidation point right so this kind of goes
against that in the sense that you're focused on the takerit and then optimizing that so which
then will then dictate the stop loss accordingly uh for for the dollar amount right exactly because
there's a bias my bias is all the way reverting down towards a fair price do you ever find though
with that methodology that price could take you out then still the whole bias and everything still
be intact 100% but thankfully I have 45 accounts I'm ready to enter again Okay. Okay. Every entry
in the direction of my bias, win or lose. So, this would just be the first and kind of the only entry
in terms of the reversion towards the pre-news price. But there's also a bunch of entries within
this move down that I could layer in on more funded accounts or valuations. Here's a really
good example. There's a bunch of structure here. 1 2 3 four wicks that have not broken this level.
So, it's outstanding structure. And this candle, very strong breakup structure, obviously. And then
this one here, it's giving me 94 points. Okay, with this trade. So, this one seems like it'd be
fine to go for 100 because I have some that need 75, some that need 100. Okay, usually it's like
split up by 25 points. Just I guess that's how the the optimization turned out. But this one's
going in for 100 and then the stop loss is going to be exactly whatever the account says. Um, the
most common stop losses that I end up seeing from my optimization is 25 points. Yeah. 37.5, 50,
and 75. So, a few different options, but again, you have to optimize it for your specific account.
So, stop loss is just going to be what it's going to be. I don't really mind if I lose here. Mhm.
It totally could have been possible. I had a 50 point stop. Totally could have been possible. I
had a 25 point stop. I don't really remember and it doesn't really matter. Um, all that matters
is I traded according to my bias. Okay. Then, as it continues farther down, up and down, up and
down. Um, you have outstanding structure here, which gets wicked but not broken. So, I would
not take a trade here. In terms of that trade, would that be on a different account? This
one? So, the first trade? Yeah. Okay. Yep. So, every trade is on a different account. They're
all getting layered in short because I want to capitalize on the bias. How do you have to put a
system in place for you to manage, you know, to make sure that you don't accidentally, you know,
put a second trade on the same account? Yep. So, I use trade of eight. Okay. Because I'm able to open
literally 10 trade of eight tabs. Okay. And I just start on one prop firm, start sending them all
short, go to the next one, sending more short as long as the bias is short, obviously. But another
thing you can do is take evaluations. So as these two funded trades are still running short, you
can take an evaluation trade here. And the reason for that is it's still a break of structure.
So it's a strong entry. Yeah. But if I felt I had too much exposure to this trade where I had
like a funded account. Exactly. I'd already seen a very nice reversion for 100 or so points. I might
think I don't really want to short the bottom on more funded accounts because I am getting a bias.
I'm getting an edge, but this one is way more of an edge because I've entered way higher. So, more
points in my favor. So, maybe I'm getting a little concerned. I have too many funded short right
now. It's a little bit too much exposure. So, I'm going to send evals in. And evaluations, like
I said earlier, it's going to be 38.25. So pretty much at least half of my trades would be 38.25.
Interesting. And the other half obviously would be the funded accounts going as close to fair
price as the risk on the account says. So this one would be 38 points for evaluation. It loses
but whatever. Then here comes 930. Now this is a really important one. But does it lose or does
it I guess that one won. It ends up taking profit and then Yeah, I didn't even notice. I guess
that one won. Mhm. But here comes 9:30 which is very important. Now, if you mark this out and say
this is my fair price cuz it's 930, unfortunately, you're going to be wrong. And the reason for this
is because when the market opened, the volume came in and it's going to move to a fair price, which
is the pre-news price. So, it instantly comes down and taps the pre-news price. If for some reason it
opened up in like maybe like a continuation of the news, if the news was so green, like more green
than the the forecast, Yeah. then the open would be fair. So if it continued up, I'd only revert
to the open instead of the pre-news. But okay, when trading news, the news price is stronger than
the open, especially when it opens and comes right back down to it because there's an influx of
volume here and it's able to get towards that fair price. From here, I would delete this one.
No longer look at the open at all. I'd only look to trade to the pre-news price. Now, in terms
of the entries, you're not going to get much unfunded here just because it's really close to
it. Yep. So, the only thing you can really do is take displacement candle entries towards the
fair price. I don't have any funded accounts that need 33 points. Mostly it's going to be larger.
Sometimes I do, maybe 25 points, but this looks like a great example of an evaluation trade. It's
giving 38 points or so in your favor. So, it seems pretty strong for a 3825 eval trade. After that, I
would continue to revert towards this price here. There's nothing that has convinced me that fair
price is anywhere else. Mhm. I would need a huge volume spike in one direction. Like if there's
there's a good amount of consolidation here and consolidation is usually what I confirm to be a
fair price. So would you say that consolidation almost might even be the fact that you had your
930 price and then you had your news price and we sort of just trapped in between 100%. So what
I'm going to do is just I'm going to stick to my bias. Yeah. As strongly as possible trade towards
my bias of the previous news price down here. But if it broke structure up, see there's like 1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10 wicks or whatever. It's just not breaking back up. If it broke structure up, then
I would adjust there price to right here, which is the most recent consolidation. But it breaks down
right here. Breaks this structure. Another nice Eval trade for 38 points back towards the pre-muse
price. There's also a few other entries in here. This seems like another good one. I believe
I took just these three entries on this day, but it's only 10:00 a.m. and I've already won a
bunch shorting back to the pre-news price, but the pre-news price is still fair. So, I'm going
to trade back towards it from the other side. I'm just trying to get through as many accounts as I
can every single day. Now, this is not an entry. None of these are displacement candles, okay?
Because none of them are closing above the wick. Even if it did close above the wick, I wouldn't
take it cuz it would already be back at the price. Yes, this one is a displacement candle, though.
This one's not because it didn't close above the wick, but this one clearly closes above all three
of these wicks and the body is much larger. So, another nice trade. This one's giving 65 points.
So, it could be possibility take it unfunded for 50 points if I have a funded that needs 50,
maybe 75. Um, I tend to go lower if it's like in the middle of two. Yeah, because as soon as
it gets back towards this fair price right here, it's essentially random. So, I don't really want
to be exposed to that. So 50 would probably be a little bit better than a 75 point target in
this example, but nonetheless very good for an evaluation giving 3825. Do you ever take both
on an evaluation and a funded or do you you know hard rule one account per trade? I try and
do one account at a time. Sometimes I will copy trade like in this first trade I would copy trade
that just because it's such a strong setup. It's the breakout structure which is the stronger
of the two and it's right after news. Yeah. such it's almost the peak high. Yeah, it just it
stopped going up. It broke structure down. So, I'm really excited to revert that to the pre-news
price. Another thing an optimization that people could do here's probably a good example of it
actually is using some sort of an ATR and that would be for your your stop-loss perspective, but
of course keeping it static. So if I'm doing 25 and 38 with one contract of NQ features, this is
-500 plus 760. Mhm. If I wanted to keep the same static, which you should do on the Eval, always
do the same static, whatever works best for your strategy, then you can if if for some reason I was
going to enter here. It's just a nice displacement candle. So this is kind of an entry that I'd see.
This one's giving me 76 points in my favor. Yeah, if you double this and double this, now you have
a 50 point stop loss and a 76 point take profit. But what you should do is you cut your contract in
half. So instead of using one contract, now you're using five micros. Yeah. And it's going to be the
same. The dollar amounts remain. Exactly. The same dollar amount is the most important thing to do
on prop firms because it's optimal. Mhm. So this is a slight little optimization people could do.
Obviously a little discretionary, but the reason why I like doing trades like this sometimes is I
can take this entry here and then I see there's structure here. So if it breaks structure here,
I could layer in another trade. Just get in here off this break of structure. This one's giving 60
points. So I'd probably just go for 38 here. So now I'm in two evaluation trades short. A little
bit of different entries, but the same bias, different risk exposure because one stop loss
all the way up here. The other is pretty close. So interesting. A little bit of optimization can
allow you to get more accounts in. I used to do that, but now that I have so many accounts, that
little 1% optimization that I can find in a few different places isn't really worth it. All I want
to do is 3825 and get through as many accounts as I physically can. So, I get through one here, it
breaks structure again, displaces here, I'd get another one in there. I'd get as many accounts as
possible in the direction of my bias. And like I said earlier, the only time where you would try to
do a different one of the actual 76, like when you should actually do 76 instead of 25 or when I'll
do it is on the opening candle when it's more than 25 points. This opening candle is 43 points. And
I guess we didn't even go over this continuation, but it is a continuation. The opening candle
was red and we even thought the fair price was down here. So it's kind of a continuation and
reversion in one, which makes a really strong trade. Probably one that I'd take on funded.
Usually evaluations are continuations are only for evaluations, but I'd kind of classify this
as both because the fair price is down here. So, it's kind of a reversion in itself. Then it seems
to have hit 11:00 a.m. right here. There's no entries to take on this move up because there's
no displacement candles, but that was the CPI day last week. Very strong reversion multiple times.
Even went farther down, reverted, went back up, reverted. So, really nice day there. Now I'll go
to Wednesday for PPI. All right, here is PPI. So like I said with CPI, you can take continuations
of the news if you're getting in here. I don't really like to do it. It's sort of an aggressive
tactic to pass evaluations quickly. Um but I sort of stay away from that mostly. Now all I'm going
to do is try to revert towards the pre-news price and again stop after three losses. So let's look
through to see what sort of entries there are. This one is not a displacement because it didn't
close below the wick. Yeah, same with this. Same with this. But then we get a break of structure.
This one would be my first entry short. Stop loss seems like it'd be about 25 just because there's
not too many points in your favor. But probably something like 50 point take profit, 25 stop loss.
After that though, there is no displacement here. The reason for that is a displacement also has to
displace a candle of the opposite color. Okay? You can't really displace a red candle because it's
still going down. And unfortunately, nothing displaces this candle because the bottom's all
the way down here. So, no entry there. Same. No displacement here. It didn't close below the wick.
Same here. Then we get the first displacement right there. Yep. That seems like a pretty strong
entry. The stop loss is what it's going to be. I don't really do less than 25 points. I don't think
ever in the New York session. Actually, I guess I could say never. Never. Never less than 25 points
in the New York session. And then 104 points in my favor. seems pretty strong to send for about 100
points if I have a specific account that needs that. Uh this was a displacement entry which is
fine to take on funded but it is a bit weaker. So ideally you would wait for this entry here
which is just a break of structure right there. Structure gets broken pretty much same trade all
the way back down towards the pre-news price with the market open though didn't really give the best
entries this day. It kind of chopped around wicks every single direction. No real displacement
to the downside until this candle here. Yeah, first displacement candle down. Definitely just
going to short back towards the pre-news price. Um, unfortunately, I lost this one. I was going
for 3825 and then barely stopped me out before unfortunately going to take profit in one candle.
So, couldn't even re-enter really. Uh, I try not to enter midcand. I'll wait until the close. It's
just more confirmation. Um, after that though, it does drop even further down. So, um I will trade
back towards this price here instead of trading back towards the open just like the previous
day. I'm only trading back towards the pre-news price because when it opened, it came down to
the pre-news price. On non-news days, the open is going to be fair most of the time, like 95% of
the time. But just on these news days, which news reversions are the strongest of the trades, that's
why I'm showing them. Um this pre-news price is going to be fair. Now, definitely could just buy
all the way back up towards it. So, in terms of the entries, pretty much same thing as the other.
There's a nice displacement candle. Same thing with a takerit, I'd probably go for about 75 if
I have an account that needs that. And the stop loss, honestly, just is what it is based on the
account optimization. Could be 37 and a half, could be 50, could be 25. Um, I don't really
care what the the price action is doing in terms of stop loss. I'm just trying to enter as many
positions in my favor as possible. That one loses, but then you get a nice break of structure. So,
this one is the stronger entry and this is the one that ended up winning. Um, interesting thing
here, about 76 points. So, you can do those five micros and do a 50 point stop, which gets it below
that low. Probably more likely to win just because uh the stop loss is much larger. So, you're able
to realize more of your bias. Mhm. But again, 76 points in your favor. And as this one's going
up, I could layer in more evaluations on its way up through more displacement or breakup structure.
So, this one would go for 38 or something like that with a 25 point stop loss. After that though,
uh, it dumps all the way down here for whatever reason. I bought here off displacement trying to
get it all the way back up to the previous price, but lost for the first time. Then this is
not displacement because it's not displacing the red candle. Then entered here off breakup
structure. Eventually lost this one as well. Uh, and then I was done for the day because it hit
11 a.m. right here. So unfortunately, two losses to end off the session, but pretty good reversion
here. And then of course, very good reversion of the news. So again, just getting the bias in. Even
though you're trading mechanically, do you find yourself just being human at times? Like let's say
this session in particular, had some wins, had a few uh losses, finished with losses. Do you ever
find yourself frustrated or or feeling heightened in any way? Or do you are you you at this point
is it become more of a a part of the process and you just kind continue to move on? Yeah, at this
point it's honestly just part of the process. But when I first started, it was definitely getting at
me more and more if I was losing. The good thing about trading this many accounts and taking one
trade at a time, all with a bias, is on average, you're going to be making money. Basically,
the reason why a bias is so good on prop firms is because you're utilizing the whole loss
limit. Even if you only risk a fourth or a half, if you do it across multiple accounts through a
bunch of different entries like here, here, here, and here, then you're essentially getting exposure
to the entire max loss that they give you. So with a bias, more often than not, combining up all the
money across all of your accounts, the end of the day, you're going to be up. Plus, you're only
risking the valuation fees. So your bank account is really going to be up as soon as you get the
payout. So sort of just looking forward towards those payouts and understanding losses are 100%
part of the game and nothing you can do to avoid them. But the numbers lie in your favor as long as
you have an optimal approach. And would you say, is there a bare minimum that you would think is
best in terms of starting this approach? as you said like you started with $5,000 you said like
is that optimum or is there a particular number that you think hey if you don't have this this is
probably not the right approach until you do yeah um I was definitely thankful to start with 5k I
just made my money playing poker at the casino so I was very thankful to have a a larger bankroll
that means my ruin was very small um but if you're taking an approach like this where it is a little
bit high risk high reward that's kind of the only way to make money on props low risk low reward is
not going to get you anywhere you have to utilize the prof capital that they're giving you. Um, so
in my opinion, high risk, high reward is the way to go. But you need to calculate your risk of
ruin and you want it to be below 5%. Ideally, it's below 5%, but obviously you need a larger
bankroll. Um, but the way you can calculate your risk of ruin is take your pass rate, maybe it's
like 33% or 30%. Take your payout rate, meaning your chance of getting a payout on the funded
account. Multiply these two together and then you'll know, okay, so if I buy an evout, I have a
0.09% 09% chance of getting a payout, which means if I buy an Eval, I have a 91% chance of getting
nothing. But remember, even with these rates, it lies in your favor because you're spending $100
and then nine times out of 10, you lose $100. So you lose 900, but that time you win and you do
get that payout, it's likely going to be about $2,000 or more, okay? Because you still have
expected value in your account after taking a payout. So net, you're making a bunch of money,
but per EVA, it's a 91% chance to make nothing. So basically do 0.91 to the power of 10. If you
have $1,000 in your bank account, that will get you 10 evaluations. So that would be your chance
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the episode. What is up, chart fanatics? Coming to you live with some live market trading after
we finished up that whiteboard session. Excited to get into it. I am trading on Tuesday, August
25th. So, let's see what we can do today. Here we have the chart. Haven't had any positions yet
on my funded accounts. There was one continuation just off the second candle from open, which is
a pretty nice win, but I'm only here to show you funded accounts, which is the most important
part. So, still waiting on a funded setup. Market has barely moved. It's just been reverting uh
around fair price split as I'm recording this. We are getting a nice move up. So, we'll be
looking for funded account shorts back down towards what I think to be fair. So, definitely
excited for that. The reason why I think this blue line here is fair is this is the chunk of
consolidation right before the market open. Now, I know market opened down here. But when it
opened, it went straight up to this consolidation and then even farther beyond. So, open not
likely to be fair. most likely this consolidation here. So I am going to be looking for a short
reversion back to this consolidation fair price. All right, in the first position just wanted to
get in a little bit early. Uh we had a nice wick rejecting longs. Um basically it broke structure
long but it did not continue farther up. Uh, so we'll just be looking for shorts back down
to the open right now. Bit of an early entry, but ideally this account would
be winning 3,000. Unfortunately, it is a little bit too close to the open, so
I have to get in early to get as close to my $3,000 target as possible. So, it's looking
like 2520 as the profit target on this trade. Of course, would be fine to let it run for 3,000. Actually, I'll just be letting it run for 3,210. Just checked my dashboard and 3210 is the exact
profit target that this account wants to win and it's got at least 80% of that in its uh pursuit
down towards what I think to be fair. So, that should be fine. Basically, what I mean is like
if I want to target 100 point win, then I need at least 80 points in my favor to take that trade. If
I only have like 40 points to fair price, there's no way I should let a trade run for 100. 80% 75
if I'm getting a little bit greedy is sort of the mark that I continuously go off of. So we are in
shorts. Just going to hold it all the way down for 3210 because that's what my account needs to win.
All right, I will be entering on a second account here just because we're getting more confirmation.
Another wick rejecting longs and looks like it's about to displace this green candle. Uh it's
a little bit 50/50 but strong enough for me to be taking another position. I guess I guess this
one's bugged, but still just taking shorts. Um, this account has a different target. Let me check.
This one needs 1500. So, we'll be letting this one run for 1505. Not sure why this is saying
that here, but I guess you can see the profit down here. All right. So, just hit profit target
on the $1,500 funded trade. And then let's see about the 3200 if I can get it. There we go. So,
two funed trades in first reversion of the day. Perfect setup so far. Now, I'm just going to chill
a little bit. Needed to move away from fair price so I can take another reversion. Um, but that is
two accounts down and got a few more to do. Also, the one that won 1500, I will be trading it again.
Uh, 1500 was just the first profit target of that account uh for today. The reason why is if I go
back to it, you see the trade was pretty much from here to here. Uh, like I said, I like to have 80%.
Technically, it needs a larger profit target on the day. Uh, just according to my dashboard, which
is which is optimized for that. It needs a larger profit target on the day, but I couldn't send it
for like a 100 points all the way short because as soon as price gets below fair price, its bias is
going to be back towards it. And I don't want to be trading away from the bias for too long. I'll
let it go for like, like I said, about 80%. Um, so this blue line here would be 80% if my
full take profit is 100% if that makes sense. That is the most that I'll be willing to or the
least I'll be get willing to give away. Um so very nice trades there. Layered in this one here
just because there was a wick that failed to break uh failed to displace long basically. Um
obviously you can have two short confluences, you can have actual displacements and you can have
failures to go long. The reason why it's not like too technical is because it's a bias. Um and with
a bias the entry doesn't matter as much. Anyways, just gonna wait for another move away and
then I'll be looking for more reversions on this account number three that I had
just taken the win on. Account number one, which I took a continuation win on and I forgot to
record. Sorry about that. Uh, account number two, which we took the big win on. I'm done for
today. And then account number four. So, four fund is coming in today. We're going to work
on all of them. See if we can get them all up into a good amount of profit, but definitely need to
wait for a move away. All right, I'm looking for longs back to the open. We just had a huge wick
rejecting shorts failing to break structure. Now I just need a green candle to print and that will
be enough for me to get in. It is pretty close. So not going to have too large of a profit target,
but oh thankfully it's going to drop down farther. So we'll get another opportunity here once it
moves away a little bit farther. So we have a larger profit target on our funded, which is
always more fun. But it did technically just break structure short. So, I think it might be a little
while until we see our long position opportunity. I would not be taking this green candle even
though it is a little bit looking like a displacement just because it did break structure
short, which is the opposite of what I want to see if I want to go long. All right, I'll be
taking another position long right now. Huge wick rejecting shorts as you can probably tell.
Uh anyways, we'll just be trading this one back up to the open. First one unfortunately lost
because of whatever the hell that is. This one then is going to go for a little bit more
profit because obviously we just lost some money. But second attempt, final attempt for
the day most likely because if I lose then it will be essentially breaking structure short and
then it's just going to drift um likely all the way back down towards 6 p.m. So I will just be
done. Um but good start to the day. Hopefully we get a nice end to the day right now with this
trade. All right, just broke structure short and stopped me out. That is it for today. So, quick
little summary. We had continuation long on open, which I forgot to record. Uh, this one won
me 1,200. Then first attempt at reversion, wick rejecting longs, half a displacement candle
was enough for me to get in onfunded. This one was 3,200. Then another wick rejecting longs. I think
I got in on this candle. Something like this for another trade for 1,500. And then unfortunately
bad way to end it, but that's just how it goes. Two more attempts at longs. First one off double
displacement. Uh this one also tried to be off double displacement. Got in a little early. Uh if
I didn't get in here, I would have gotten in here and then lost anyway. So it's fine. Just trying
to revert to the open, but it is not going to be reverting today. Um two losses is fine because
it's minus 2Kish. I think the account lost at 2K. I don't know why it's so low, but minus 2K plus
5.7 or something like that. So net up on the day. Also good when I lose a funded because I only lost
the evals that it cost me to get there. Uh so kind of only lost like three or 400 bucks here because
the eval um got like 33% pass rate. So pretty cheap to take these losses which is why I'm just
so aggressive with them as long as you're getting amount of points in your favor that you need.
And these ones are all going to be realized in payouts pretty soon. I just need to get a few more
winning days, but the expected value is there. So, pretty strong day today. Few wins, few losses,
but I'll take it. So, we'll be on to the next day. What is up, chart fanatics? This is day two of
live trading. Today, you can see on my accounts, I have three new funded accounts to trade with Blue
Sky. They're on the buffer phase, so basically funded accounts. And then over here, FXI, I have
two funded accounts to trade. I've got different size accounts, 150ks here and some 50ks here. I'm
going to be looking for $1,000 profit on these three to end the day. And then these two is going
to be $6,000. So obviously very large difference in that optimal profit target for these different
accounts. So we'll see how we can get through those. The continuation I'm going to be taking on
blue sky accounts. Got a nice 25 point trade here. If I use two contracts, it'll make me thousands.
Just going to wait for the close of the candle just to confirm it does actually break structure
and then uh we'll be in for 25 point take profit. Um I definitely need to wait
for the close of the candle. All right, in continuation shorts. Bit of
a bad fill, but nothing you can really do about it. Obviously lots of volume at the
market open. Um barely broke structure, but nonetheless it counts. It broke this and
it broke this. So was going for a 25point profit target. Uh we'll see how this one plays
out, but feels like a pretty standard trade. The opening candle wasn't too biased. There
were pretty large wicks on both sides, but uh opening 1 second was red. Higher time frame
bias. The short opening candle was red. Brookke structure. Um a little bit weak displacement.
Okay, TP.edge, but I don't care. A little bit of a weak displacement, but no way. I'm not taking
this, right? Uh, so we'll let this one play out. All right, there's take profits. We'll be entering another one soon as this candle
displaces. I can just use a limit actually. Just looking for it to go below the previous close
and I'll just take another continuation short. Um, I usually limit my continuations
to the first five minutes. So, uh, we'll let this one play. Um, there
is no real displacement for it to revert. So, um, I'm basically short biased until
proven otherwise with displacement or breakup structure long, in which case
then I would flip and then start going long and uh, just these short account positions.
No, no huge account positions yet. If we get two green candles, it's enough
for me to classify as displacement. So, I would start looking for longs. It is kind
of hard obviously to displace this one huge red candle. But, if we get two green ones in
a row, it's a little bit more confirmation, but of course, still holding shorts. Uh, risking
about a one because if this candle were to turn green, then it would be above this one,
which is why my stop is above that one. Uh stop losses don't really matter on prop firms.
It's all the same EV. The profitari is where the EV is generated or lost. So um that's why I care
a lot more about those specifically. We'll see what happens with this trade though. It might be
a longer one. Uh the initial volume seems to have died out a little bit. First trade was great
though just as usual continuation. So if this one loses then I will be entering on account
number 567 which is my long biased account. But of course, we'll hold. We'll wait.
See what ends up happening with this one. Seems to have hit its short resistance. Okay.
So, I'm longing now. It is midcand. So, bit of an aggressive entry as well, but uh clearly shorts
are getting rejected by this huge red candle. Um so, I'm long biased back up towards the open. Got
a nice two contract trade for about or exactly 25 points. Um because the open is here. Possible fair
price. There's a few. Obviously, the bias is long, so that's why I'm in longs. Um, for now, I'm just
thinking it's near the open. Possibility it's all the way up here, but lots of consolidation at this
level throughout the night. Would definitely be interesting to consider. Uh, it's also where
Asian session opened. I am on PSD right now, which is why you see the PST times, but yeah, just
going to hold longs for now. back to the open and we'll see. Could obviously layer in more accounts
here on this candle. We'd wait for a little more confirmation. Then I'll get in with number 542
as well. All right. This one specifically needs a larger win obviously because it just lost a,000
on the first trade. All right. So, first account hit take profits. Second account I'm holding
for 50 points. Um the target was 25. I lost basically 25 points on the first trade. trades
and now I need 50 points. So I'm just holding this one up to the consolidation above the open.
Always possible the open is fair. Usually at at 25 after there is sometimes a volume spike which
creates an unfair move. So instead of having the open price is fair. I'm looking more towards that
uh 24 after candle which is just what it looks like today. Obviously you can see the 25 after
candle has pretty large volume. Uh anyway it's just going to hold once it takes here. Once it
takes the 24 candle, I could go break even. Yeah, it seems fine to go break even now because
if it dumps, since opening candle was red, there is a slight short bias, at least for me.
Uh, so when it wicks, what could be fair now, I'm just wanting like less exposure to that
position. So that's fine. Break even. But anyways, definitely a good trade to hold. Definitely not
not ex like I personally am not going to exit early. See, it I thought fair price at 24 and
it just wicked it. Um people would definitely consider having their profit target at fair price.
Um but it is much more valuable to have a specific profit target based on the prop firm environment.
So not based on what the market is showing you. It is much better to have those static ones like
I talked about in the previous live video. Um even though obviously based on what the chart is
showing, it would have been nice to get out there, but no. much much better much higher EV
to have your profit targets set out for the prop environment specifically which is why
I'm going to hold this one but definitely break even is is a good opportunity because again it's
essentially random in my opinion once it wicks what I think to be fair which as you can see it
did so let's hope the randomization is in our favor still generating positive EB though because
it is the firm's draw that I'm trading with and uh profit targets optimal so all right started up
the recording again it's like one point from take profit didn't want to jinx it But figured might
as well capture it. U so still just in the same position. Had a nice displacement long. Okay. It
filled one out of the two contracts. Oh man. So we got a little while maybe longer to wait because
it just filled one out of the two. Anyways, just going to hold. This is a one to two trade.
One to two R by the way. Um so we'll give it some more time. All right. There we go. So, Blue Sky
is done for today. These three accounts down here, well, they're supposed to win a,000, I guess,
that fills, but nonetheless, 1,000 was profit target on these. Um, they're not eval. They're
like, it's a buffer phase where you got to make some money on the buffer before going to funded
account. So, it's technically funed account, expected value. Um, so pretty good of 3K to
start. Now, hopefully we get another nice move away because I do have these accounts here. Um,
with these accounts here, I'm probably going to be targeting I'll just target this area here as
fair just because on its way up it consolidated here for a little bit. Um, it could obviously
be like here, but I'll extend it a little bit just cuz when I'm looking to short, oh man, it's
going to be a long trade. 100 point trade. I could obviously size up and get a 50 point trade. Like
I could just double the contracts. So, we'll see exactly what market gives. Uh might have to be
back to you guys in a while because it's going to take a while to move away um from from fair for
reversion. All right, I'm in a six contract short onfunded. Uh the reason why is I have $6,000
profit target and with 50 points that would be six contracts. So that's the reason for that.
Just trading a one to one here. Um just thinking reversion is more likely than longs. And I just
had a limit 50 points away from a fair price just to make it a pretty easy entry. So we'll see
exactly what happens with this one. It is very aggressive. I will admit. Uh plus or minus $6,000
is quite aggressive, but uh the expected value is definitely there. So, I'm in shorts quite early.
Just my limit order got tagged. Unfortunately, the candle didn't actually displace. So, bit of a
weak entry. Could obviously get out, break even, and wait. Uh but it sort of long sort of gave up
now. Just looking for shorts back to the open. All right, getting a nice displacement short.
So, I will get back to you guys when this trade finishes. I'm definitely not going to be altering
anything mid trade. I'm just going to be holding all the way back to the open. No break evens
because I think fair is at the open. So, obviously not going to really go break even. So, we'll just
let it play out. I'll let you know what happens. All right, we're back. Been holding for a little
while. Uh, but trade is looking good. But it never broke structure up. So there was no reason for
me to exit. Had a nice break of structure short. I considered setting the other account in. But uh
okay. Okay. I considered setting the other account in but uh it would have been a little bit too
close. I would have need to use like 10 contracts which is probably a little bit too aggressive. Um
anyways, why is that twice happening now? Oh man. Anyways, just gonna let it run. I was hoping
I could catch it on camera, but now I got to commentate a little bit longer. We'll see. Um,
just standard reversion trade. Um, I saw 50 points in my favor and I knew 50 points, six contracts
at $6,000, which is just the profit target for my account. Um, if it had gone up 100 points, then I
would use three contracts because three contracts 100 points, $6,000. So, it's all about the profit
target on the account. And then, of course, you want the profit target to be as close to
fair price as possible. So, you can adjust your contracts in that regard. But again, profit target
is the most important part of all of this. Now, actually could be an opportunity to go break even
just because it wicked essentially wicked what I think to be fair, which is my take profit, but
okay, another one contract filled. Um, I guess I could go break even, but it's probably not
going to Okay, there. It's not going to matter. All right. So, that is one, two, three of these
smaller ones done and then one larger one done of 9K. Um, could have layered in another one
here. Probably should have. Uh, 6K is like a lot though. Like $6,000 plus or minus is kind of
a lot even for me. Uh, so one account at a time is probably a little bit better to reduce variance.
I'm just going to wait for another move away and then obviously another reversion. So, I will
be back to you guys when we see another move away and then another entry on this account here.
Whether it's 50 points for six contracts or 100 points for three just cuz I need to win 6K. All
right, there is news coming out at 7 a.m. PST. So, 10 EST, the dude is speaking. So, probably not
going to be taking any trades at 10:00 a.m. afterwards or 7 my time obviously afterwards. And
it seems a little bit too close to fair price. So, probably just done for the session. four for four
on our accounts. 6K 111. So up 9K, four for four. Uh pretty good result today. Obviously reversions
played out once, twice, continuation played out once. Uh second continuation lost, but uh
reversion made it back. So I guess four for five, whatever you want to call it. So anyways, done
for today. Uh here were the trades from the other days because I recorded the previous session was
on Tuesday and then this one was on Friday. So, I figured uh I can show you guys what happened
on Wednesday and Thursday as well. Um I was waiting for a really trendy day. I wanted to
find a trendy day because those are obviously worse for me version. I wanted to find a trendy
day. Um but anyways, here's Wednesday. Wednesday I couldn't live for you guys because I was
live trading for my students. But anyways, uh we have pre-news price here at 8:30 a.m.
EST. That creates an untra move away. And then on the open, I'm just buying midcand because
the opening 1 second was green. You can see there's no wick here. Uh so it opened up and you
could just take a very nice funded trade or EBS whatever you want. Uh back to the open after that
consolidating here at pre-news price. Uh news is priced in. So just looking for reversions back
to the pre-news price. Maybe you catch something here. Uh if not definitely catch something in
here. Great displacement here. So just trading back towards there and then it jumps all the
way back down here. Displacement here. Break structure here. Whatever you want to enter on.
All seems great. So uh Wednesday was a pretty good day. just reverting to the pre-news price.
Um, again, it's priced in this move is unfair. So, just looking for a reversion on open. Could also
definitely get in reversions here. Like, it's it's fine. Just make sure you're break even when
market opens. Um, consolidation at the previous price. Just confirming that it would be fair.
Slight reversion here, slight reversion here, great reversion here. Now, Thursday was uh another
decent day. Lots of reversions on Thursday. Here's the open. Continuation trade loss. It is what
it is. Uh but then you get a nice break of structure back to the open here. Nice displacement
reversion here. Nice displacement reversion here. Um I took one two losses in here and then I took
another trade here which lost. Um here another one lost and then where was it? Final ones was
one two three four five that won. So ended net very positive on this day. Um I usually don't
go past 11 a.m. EST unless I haven't finished trading a majority of my accounts. This was a day
I hadn't done a lot because it was like one, two, three losses and like you saw earlier in this
trade. Today when I lost, I took another one. Um, just cuz I like my accounts to either be at profit
target or gone. So, I'll take multiple trades on them throughout the day. Um, so when I take
one, two, three, three, or four losses in here, um, then I'm obviously going to take more trades
because my accounts are down, but they're not done yet. So, um, if you lose, like you need to win
that back plus more. Kind of a weird mentality, right? But it's what works for me. Uh, I just like
speed on prof. know, caught this entire reversion. Um, I was hoping today would be a trendy day.
Uh, so I could show you how I trade reversions in trend, but unfortunately it was not. So,
this whole week tried to give it a a good try for the live recording. No trends and that dude's
speaking now, so probably going to be done. But, hope you enjoyed the video. Um, definitely
was happy to talk with Riz about my strategy, talk with you guys about the strategy. So, show
us some live. Um, most important thing you should take away from this and a of my content is that
focus more on the proferm rules, uh, like like you probably saw with my profit targets being
like static versus what the market is showing. It'd be a little bit more discretionary if it's
based on what the market's showing, targeting the exact area stop-loss a specific place. A lot more
static for the prop firm specific environment. But thank you so much for watching and I'll see you in
the next one. So important really, you know, off the back of this entire episode is knowing your
numbers. Yeah, you know, regardless of whether you're using this strategy or not, that really
is a a fundamental thing that every trader should have an understanding of their numbers and and
therefore, you know, when people complain about psychology or even uh their discipline and so
on. Really having that understanding of numbers, it doesn't fix things straight away, but it
definitely helps to to really trust your system. And in this particular case, you have to really
understand your numbers and trust your numbers to follow a mechanical system in the first place, but
then also to understand, you know, the model that you're trading these prop firms with. Um, and to
be able to then, you know, bankroll accordingly. Yep. And know what that looks like, you know,
the reality of that process. Yeah, JJ, it's been absolute pleasure. You know, I'm sure it's
very eye opening for the people at home as well. probably the first time that they're getting a
real deep insight into the, you know, full process and the data behind it all. And I thank you for
breaking it all down and then being so transparent as well in terms of your journey as well. And uh
well, everyone at home, drop a comment of your biggest takeaway from this episode. you know,
something very different. But as we said at the very beginning, a proper money-making machine,
uh, if done correctly, and that's something we want to really highlight at the end of this
is to, you know, really don't just look at the numbers that we talked about in terms of payouts
or payout amounts or, you know, in the time that it's been done. More so understand exactly what JJ
went through, which is the numbers of, you know, your expected value. uh understanding the numbers
in terms of you know the exact ones we just broke down right now in terms of your you know win
rate and uh pass rate and so on. Those are the things that you have to do the work on you know
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